Odd tire wear

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by NWAF, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. boneebone

    boneebone Road Train Member

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    You might want to try increasing it to 110 psi and see how that works out.
     
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  3. blairandgretchen

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    I second the 110, but also alignment. Low speed tight maneuvers wouldn't cause that kind of wear that quick. And bearings.

    Heck - I don't know. Took me a while to sort out my tire issues.
     
  4. BoxCarKidd

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    If that is scuffing wear would it not show up on both sides or the sister tire a little bit? Just asking! At one time I worked for a large company, 15,000 units, and the new trucks at our terminal had steer tires wear like that and in the middle. New tires were bought in quantity and dispersed so they were replaced with the same. Some of them were aligned by us, across town, across the state, out of state and the factory rep. even came. He said it maybe all of those things others have said and other stuff. IT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE TRUCK NOT THE TIRE! None of these trucks had over a 150,000 miles on them. Another brand became available and a truck with 80,000 miles needed steer tires. Checked the toe in, did not change anything, and replaced the tires. They ran twice as long. All that said just to say: Have it checked out as suggested but I believe tire compounds and manufacturing sometimes have problems that are hard to prove. Do not expect premium results from discount priced tires and no I would not want to except it on a new trailer either.
     
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  5. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    OP,What is the tirebrand?
     
  6. rollin coal

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    I've got a 2016 Great Dane 53' van with the exact same tires. These guys are telling you right that axle alignment is NOT dialed in at the factory. That is considered "dealer prep" for a customer. Basically just another thing the dealer can make a little easy cash on you. The factory just "eyeballs" them to close enough while it's going down the assembly line. They don't really have time for anything more than that the production line must keep moving. Mine tracked to the right from the moment I left the factory with it. I had it aligned at a Great Dane dealer. You probably have the same suspension as me. Any time alignment is set the big bolt/nut in the pic below should be replaced. A lot of places don't do it though.

    One other thought. If you ran that tire flat before getting it patched will cause one to corner like that. I've got one cornering similar to yours on the same inside corner because I ran it flat one time. Going to have to replace both of those tires now to have them matched. Sucks to ruin a $500 tire like that. I have to say other than that those Bridgestone Ecopia tires are awesome. Wearing perfectly and last like iron.

    One other comment this suspension, I believe it is HKANT40 or something like that. It'seems known to have a flexing issue from being loaded heavy a lot. The axle tubing is not thick enough material which will cause it to flex under heavy loads. Which will corner the inside corners of the inside tires on both axles over time. A solution to this is to stiffen up the axle tubing by welding some angle iron on top or below the axle tubing.

    The bolt that should be replaced if they adjust an axle it's the shiny new one in the pic:

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  7. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Rolling coal,a lift axle?
     
  8. rollin coal

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    Yeah I had a lift put on when it was aligned.
     
  9. GrapeApe

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    Not always, we usually see it on an inside tire only. It's more common on the inside front tire of the passenger side. I'm guessing that this is because drivers are naturally more comfortable with a left hand tight turn. This transfers the right to the right. Just a guess though. We do see it on the left front inner too, but not as much. I rarely see any scuffing on outside tires, it's usually the inside edge of an inside tire. Possibly when a tire is scuffing, it's getting rolled on the rim and taking weight off the tire next to it?? But I do see that same wear on our trailers and alignment is not the cause in our case. Ours are all Hendrickson swing arm suspension that does not allow much side to side suspension travel. We have had to change the tri-functional bushings in them, but not at 75K miles, usually well over 500K.

    I question alignment only because (from what I know) only 1 tire shows odd wear. Unless the axle is bent, bearing are bad/loose or a bent wheel, all tires on the on an axle should be parallel to each other. While 1 may wear faster, all 4 should show some sign of an alignment issue I would think, at least a slight feathering of the tread.

    I definitely recommend checking the alignment, I'm just not 100% sure that it is in fact an alignment issue. Everything needs to be looked at and ruled out. If everything is checked and no problems found, we're left with scuffing and the best thing to do would be to rotate the tires to buy some more time on it. To keep it is check for us, we rotate trailer tires in an X pattern every 50K miles.
     
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  10. BoxCarKidd

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    I am not here to bash brands! However I have seen it many times over many years with different brands since we started running radials. It seems more common with mid to low price tires on the steer. The major brands seam to get it corrected while it is normal for some brands. Some were Michelin's and Goodyear's that concern me because they are premium tires with premium prices.
    Now let's take a step back because someone is mad. If you buy a premium tire which runs 20 - 40% more miles than your previous tires and has odd wear what are you #####ing about? That is free rolling wear and normal. Good and faithful soldier job well done. What I am talking about is tires that have been beating you. They were inspected, trued, and spin balanced on the the truck after about 2,000 miles. I have 2 -19.5's that did not make 50,000 and 2 - 11R 22.5's at about 80,000 set aside looking for some farm use.
    If you have a fairly new, maybe any truck, and some one want's to bend your axle get a second opinion. To be wrong would be a factory defect ( warranty ) or a bad accident. Then after people start jacking with it may be a tire eater for life.
    Excuse me for running off course. daf if the problem was current I would share that. The other is just my opinion from personal experience.
    That bolt thing may be why we did a service call for a missing bolt that messed up other stuff. It was on a fixed axle tanker but the picture looked the same with the excentric adjuster.
     
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  11. NWAF

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    Did, still same.im starting lean towards the alignment.
     
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