Falsification

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  1. JC1971

    JC1971 Road Train Member

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    The country dipped into another bad recession in the late 30's almost equally bad as the early 30's.
     
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  3. Retired2015

    Retired2015 Light Load Member

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    Sorry Jazzy, wasnt meant for you
     
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  4. JC1971

    JC1971 Road Train Member

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    If you sit for eight hours waiting to get loaded, how could you legally leave if you haven't been off duty for 30 minutes and there's nowhere to park to take a 30?
     
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  5. Retired2015

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    Youll find out driver the hard way. It better be 10 hours if you use off duty. Next time you are sitting at a shipper "Off Duty" you might want to watch your elog, your Available Hours are still going down. My point was once you drop down on duty, you have 14 hours to do what you have to do. If you drop down on duty at 5am, you have until 7pm before you have to shut down for 8 or 10. The only thing that can alter that time frame is if you have at least an 8 hour sleeper break somewhere between 5 and 7 because once you drop down on duty, the elog considers you on duty for the next 14 hours-no matter where you draw your line, unless of course, you start your break before the 14 hours is up.
     
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  6. Jazzy J

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    5 minutes on duty for load/unload. Some companies want 15. Some companies want you show it as you did it.
    In all my years on elog I had 1 dot inspector try to check my elog, about 4 years ago.
     
  7. Bean Jr.

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    The depression ended December 7, 1941.
     
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  8. brsims

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    Legally, you are required to log ALL time involved in the loading/unloading process WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PERFORM WORK-RELATED ACTIVITY as "On Duty, Not Driving". This includes checking in, backing into a door or staging for loading, prepping the trailer, securing and verifying load, signing and recieving paperwork, and communicating with dispatch.

    Tanker yankers gotta log "on duty, not driving" while they pump on and off, flatbedders gotta log "on duty, not driving" for loading and unloading, securing the load, and putting equipment away, and dry van/tcu drivers gotta log opening the doors and backing into the dock (and unloading if the driver has to unload or "fingerprint" the freight)

    Logging 15-30 minutes for every loading and unloading call is gonna bite y'all in the butt someday. The DOT is getting more and more strict every day, and they are not above comparing logs between two different drivers (possibly from different carriers) who run in and out of the same places.

    Fact: PA DOT enforcement can and does sit in Meadville, PA at the end of the business bypass at the Baldwin St. Ext. end, and inspects the big rigs entering and leaving Meadville Forge Company. And they DO compare log times between the drivers, looking for falsification on "On Duty, Not Driving" notations.

    Do it right, or pay the piper.
     
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  9. JC1971

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    I log on-duty from the time I roll in, go to the ship/rec office, back in, chock the tires, and shut off the engine. Nothing more, nothing less. Same leaving. That''s the way it should be. If I'm in the sleeper on my phone or taking a nap I don't see why I should be on-duty. Any DOT officer who would write you up for that is being an arse.
     
  10. Retired2015

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    Id be willing to bet those that want you to do it the way you run it are the ones who've already been burned on it.
     
  11. scottied67

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    Once you click 'Approve' on your Elogs the times are locked in and cannot be edited by any party. Your company may want that done after every single change of duty status and most drivers try to do it at the end of the day. Certainly could be written up at a weigh station for not having "Approved" logs to the last change of duty status as it is ripe for editing either by you or your people back at the office which would be de facto falsification.
     
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