Why a container chassis?

Discussion in 'Intermodal Trucking Forum' started by Audiomaker, May 16, 2016.

  1. Audiomaker

    Audiomaker Light Load Member

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    Forgive the ignorance here, but I'm in the market for a trailer to make money and intermodal is something I've considered in tandem with a business that requires a non-container-chassis trailer, so I have a few questions...

    First, I sometimes see containers being hauled on trailers other than a dedicated container chassis, but more often than not that isn't the case so what is the reason? Lighter? Cheaper? Specialized securements?

    Secondly, what is the advantage (if any) to owning your own trailer when working intermodal as an owner/operator? Is it better just to be power only in that biz?

    And third, if you own a non-chassis style trailer (step deck for example), will they load it, and what else is there to consider?

    Many Thanks!
     
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  3. Canned Spam

    Canned Spam Road Train Member

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    For a one truck outfit, I couldn't see it being worthwhile to purchase your own intermodal chassis. Not really sure there would be any advantage. Not to mention all the different sizes.

    Most chassis's belong to the container pool you pull from, and most are used and abused junk.

    Would be kind of difficult to back a container up to a dock and load/unload it if it were on a step deck
     
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  4. Bean Jr.

    Bean Jr. Road Train Member

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    Most of the time you see a container on a flatbed is one of 2 reasons. First, they've been terminated in an out of town intermodal yard, like Container Port Group, and there are not enough being loaded. They will send them on flatbed back to a railyard to get them to a port to send them back from whence they came, or the lock box is damaged, and the box cannot be secured to a chassis. I have done both of these.

    Securing a box on a flatbed takes time. Turning 4 twistlocks takes less than 1 minute.

    High cubes can not go on a flatbed, 20' need to be centered, which means you are not driving straight into the box from the loading dock. 53' can never be put on a flatbed, except as permit load or in States where the statutory height is 14' 6".

    Shall I go on? Chassis are made for hauling containers, and nothing else. It makes the most sense to use the best tool, right?
     
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  5. Audiomaker

    Audiomaker Light Load Member

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    Using the right tool does make sense. I'm in the position where I purchased a truck and got a CDL-A about 9 months ago for personal use (moving), have now run low on funds and would like to put my truck to work but can't figure out the best place to do so.
    I have a machinery buying/hauling background and equipment, so I felt that I'd get a business going doing that with the purchase of a specialty hydraulic beavertail or sliding axle tilt, but since those are considerably more money than some other types of trailers, I've been fishing for other types of work I could do with one while the business has time to become self supporting.

    I've seen vid's of sliding axle tilts winching containers on them and it seems like there's no reason they couldn't be craned on either...which led me to wonder if intermodal might be a secondary use for such a trailer (I already bored the guys in Owner Operator to death asking if one could be used for flatbed loads).

    I guess I'm just looking for work that an equipment trailer can do that i don't have to hustle for (and by that I mean advertise and wait by the phone for a call for).

    I live in an area where there is intermodal activity (Portland, OR), so I thought I'd ask.

    I do see the point of the chassis. I kinda suspected there was some quick way to secure a container to it and other advantages, but I didn't know if that would completely negate the use of some other kind of trailer even if less convenient, nor if there were any perks to be had for bringing your own trailer at all?
     
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  6. Bean Jr.

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    When you see a container on a beavrrtail, usually it used and being put into place as storage.

    I wish I had an idea for you that would allow you to multifunction your trailer, but I am unable to. Remember, that due to the ports "providing" a chassis, buying a multiple use trailer may not be necessary.
     
  7. Audiomaker

    Audiomaker Light Load Member

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    That's a solid answer... thanks.

    In my opinion, not buying the trailer I'm talking about isn't an option, but the money involved dictates that I better be able to make the payments... which leads me to trying to find other types of work it could do at first.

    I would love to add container to ground service to my business plan, but that's still a wait by the phone for the call deal vs me being able to go online and find loads, or wait in line for guaranteed work at a port.

    Sounds like there isn't really any crossover use to the intermodal side though and I thank you.
     
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  8. Mighty Mouse

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    In the can biz it only makes sense to buy a chassis if you don't get paid detention and you know you can do a turn around in less than hour. You'd need a 20-40 expandable and a 40-45 expandable then a place to park (more money) both unless you do day rental.

    1 truck op makes more sense to use port/rail chassis pool. Just get freight that pays detention. The ports and rails always have some monkey wrench somewhere be it lack of chassis, closed lanes, high traffic or union tactics.

    The difference is if you are working with a group of other truckers to pool resources.
     
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  9. wis bang

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    Most ports are getting away from providing free chassis. Motor carriers rent them, pier diem, from the pier pools -or- lease a number of them direct from a supplier at a drastically cheaper long term rate.

    Our latest are spread axle multiple configuration chassis that can do a 20 w/ the tandem slid out the back to meet the bridge formula -or- be slid up to dock a 20. then there is another position for a 40 and one more for a 45 AND in the 40' position have a stand up double pin that allows you to move two empty 20's...something we did w/ tank containers where we popped them onto a yard chassis for the cleaning rack and then doubled them up to return the cleaned tanks to the port...
     
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  10. scottied67

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    One time saw on the load board asking for step decks to haul containers 700 miles at $3 bucks a mile, evidently they were unloaded at the wrong port and I guess the port did not want to lose their chassis.
     
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  11. Mighty Mouse

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    This thread had me thinking and after some research there are some chassis that can be purchased at a premium like $20-30k that will do 20-40-45' and slide enough to make both 20' and 40' road legal on a tandem axle or split. I've seen Bridgeport use them and know that Pratt is the maker. I think Chassis King and Cheetah might build them too. This would make sense if only doing 20' and 40' cans though which works for pier and ocean side ramps. Finding used ones is a serious pain the rear though as they get snatched up quick.

    The key for direct import/export is being able to put the end of the freight between the back wheels to get under 34k. If just pulling cans to a forwarder/XPL with no scale crossing this shift won't matter and neither will the amount of axles under it be it tridum or quad.
     
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