Max time you spend in sleeper birth?

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  1. TROOPER to TRUCKER

    TROOPER to TRUCKER Anything Is Possible

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    Then he should know! Same training. He just needs his on section.
     
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  3. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    @Xzay ^^^ THIS ^^^

    To make maximum money OTR get all your driving done within 12 hours, not 14 hours. Minimize your stops and breaks. Take only a 10 in the sleeper berth, then start the next shift of driving about 2 hours earlier than the day before. This is what you do when you are on a multi day run OR have the opportunity to deliver ASAP and get another load.

    Run hard when you have the opportunity, BECAUSE there will be times you HAVE to dawdle on a load. Sometimes the customer receives by appointment only and you have plenty of time. Other times you may wait to get another dispatch.

    If you have hours available to drive and miles to go, then drive.

    Sometimes I choose to stop well short of 11 hours driving, like if I know that pushing another couple hours gets me into packed truck stops or rush hour traffic.

    Whenever you can, gravitate to your favorite schedule. My favorite it to start driving around 2:00 am and finish no later than 4:00 pm. Plenty of parking for both my 30 and my 10, and a nice mix of miles at night with no traffic and watching the sun rise. Showers are wide open in the wee hours before I drive or early afternoon, no waiting.
     
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  4. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    Sometimes people with little or no legal training try to render legal advice on the FMCSA rules. I will give one example of why this is VERY VERY DANGERIOUS and can get drivers in serious trouble. Look at 395.13 (B) (3).


    "(3) Exception. A driver failing only to have possession of a record of duty status current on the day of examination and the prior day, but has completed records of duty status up to that time (previous 6 days), will be given the opportunity to make the duty status record current."

    I have heard maybe a hundred drivers (and even some safety people) say this means a cop can not give you a ticket! NOTHING could be further from the truth. In fact in most of the country your looking at a rather large fine for this offense. You clue to this is the section where it is placed. It is placed in the OOS section of the HOS rules. It means before a MCSAP/CVSA/DOT officer may place you OOS they must give you an oppertunity to get your logs current. Nothing in that article says a cop can't ticket you.

    I actually saw a driver from the now defunct carrier Matlack almost come to blows with an Ohio cop over this. This is why I have advised young drivers to write their questions on the FMCSA rules in a letter to your local branch office of the FMCSA.
     
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  5. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    I have that covered. Just show them my piss bottle collection.
     
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  6. TROOPER to TRUCKER

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    You should re train him
     
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  7. scottied67

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    It is in the code of federal regulations I posted above==

    (1) Entries to be current. Drivers shall keep their records of duty status current to the time shown for the last change of duty status.

    You're right it doesn't specifically read, 'change your duty status when you go pee' but it does specifically read the driver *SHALL* keep their records of duty status current.

    Understand the word SHALL is synonymous with MUST and not open to driver interpretations, such as "I have been doing it my way x amount of time" or since "I never heard of anyone getting busted for this...."

    If you run a logbook you SHALL change your duty status or you SHALL suffer the consequences.
     
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  8. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    It wouldn't work. Two completely different ideals.
     
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  9. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    You really don't see how foolish you are coming off as. I know a safety person from Swift safety. In fact I spoke to this person the other day. I will see if I can get a copy of either their log book power point program or a copy of something printed on their logging classes. To be continued!
     
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    scottied67 Road Train Member

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    That cfr further bolsters my argument for keeping your RODS current-- Bold Underline Italics, mine for emphasis.

    (2) No driver required to maintain a record of duty status under § 395.8 or § 395.15 of this part shall fail to have a record of duty status current on the day of examination and for the prior seven consecutive days.
     
  11. scottied67

    scottied67 Road Train Member

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    That is bad advice. That is not the definition of *CURRENT*. Current means right now currently. you leaving your logs on Line 3 for 30 minutes conducting off duty activities is falsification. You have not recorded your change of duty status to the current status of off duty or sleeper to satisfy the 30 minute legal break.

    ELD has fixed this problem with lazy drivers. Drivers who fail to change their status after stopping will automatically be changed to On Duty status.

    This is done to protect the driver from himself should an inspector request to review the RODS right then and there. I agree the chances are very slim of this happening.
     
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