Max time you spend in sleeper birth?

Yes but he has had Swift logging classes. How can you compete with that?

 

Not sure if you know this but observer 1 is a DOT officer

 

Wrong again.

Firstly, that document has no force of legislation. As a "handbook," it is for reference only and anything in it must be checked against the relevant legislation. No doubt you are crowing over this sentence on page 16:

Authorized government inspectors may check your logs at any time.​

No. No they cannot. That statement doesn't even remotely pass a common-sense test. Can they check your logs while you're sitting in the restaurant? While you're having a shower? When you're at home? On vacation? Visiting your mother in the hospital? No, they cannot. If you had bothered to actually check the referenced regulation, you would have found this:

§ 395.8: Driver's record of duty status.

(k) Retention of driver's record of duty status and supporting documents.

(2) The driver shall retain a copy of each record of duty status for the previous 7 consecutive days which shall be in his/her possession and available for inspection while on duty.
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https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.8
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You and I show up in court; you with a copy of that handbook and me with a copy of the legislation. I know who is winning... it isn't you.

 

Yeah I know I may have to request that class

 

Your not one of the problem children that troll TTR. That being said If your comments make sense and/or backed up by the regs I take you serious. I always love sarcasm.

 

From what little I have seen this person post everything appears to be true. It is just I have been in and out of internet forums and in general till I meet a person and shake their hands I reserve judgement on them. That is not designed to be offensive, just a sad state of being real on the internet. I wanted to add something. While they are all retired It has been my pleasure to know 2 DOT officers who were Georgia Public Service Commission cops back when the GPSC was the MCSAP agency. I have come into contact with a just retired Virginia DOT cop whom attends our Chic fil a bull sessions. I actually can't wait to see this guy to ask him if he ever issued a false log ticket to a poor trucker because he took a potty break.

 

You're so focused on the potty break thing. Sure it doesn't specifically talk about pee breaks but it does include the language, "true and correct" and "current to the last change of duty..." which just means if you change from sleeper to off duty, the true and correct way to log that is to go from line 2 to line 1 and right now currently. The concept is the driver *must* keep the logs updated to the very last change of duty status. I just used pee break as an example. It doesn't matter what reason, if the driver gets out of the Sleeper, they *must* change the duty status onthe logs. If they go from Off Duty to Sleeper, they *must* change duty status on the logs.

 

These are straight from our biggest resource. Not scottie.

But I feel it is a bit of lawyer word play to begin with. Notice under off duty, it states that you are not under any responsibility to work.

Notice now it says nothing under SB about not working.


Now I will ask a silly but very truthful question.

Say your in your truck sleeping while logging SB, some jack off backs into you and causes extensive damage with bits of your truck bumper laying all around your now broken truck.
Are you not required to by some unknown unwritten law saying that you are now involved in an accident and you are now required to work?

Same scenario, but now you are logged off duty.

What will you tell everyone now? Sorry buds, I'm off duty and am not required to respond to this incident involving my truck.

Now do not say you can just go on duty from your current off duty status.
Remember what the rules say! You are logging off duty because you are not required to be ready for work.
I.e. at home having beers, away from the truck while it is under the responsibility of a mechanic.
Or like it says in the regulations, after 8 hours of driving, a 30 minute off duty(stated first) or sleeper birth is required.

For you tin foil super truckers, in case you didn't notice.... most of the entire country is required to take a 30 minute break by law. Employers of other industries are required to give you 30 minutes of your day to do as you please. Trucking has finally caught up that we are now required to break and do as we please completely excused from the truck to log off duty.

Go log sleeper birth, I don't care, you'll just have to restart your 30 when you get backed into.

And yes, if you are on a 10 hour sleeper birth, you can legally go on duty and eat 90,000 hours. But a 34 hour reset is required at that point before driving.

But, if you log off duty go have 3 beers, return to your truck and are logging sleeper birth, but get backed into an hour later, where is your legal ground to stand that you are ready to be with in the regulations of the rules written by lawyers?
You are right! You have zero ground, because you under FMCSA rules were not sober 4 hours prior to coming on duty to attend to your broke ### truck.

Did I miss anything Scottie?

Tell me more of how while at a truck stop, some gangbanger starts stealing my load and I can legally log off duty. Because remember what I said, what the FMCSA said. I was/am required to attend to, call the cops, stop the mofo from stealing the load. AND BE IN READINESS TO WORK OR PERFORM WORK.

Bunch of or maybe just one princesses. I can't tell tonight.

 

Really, here we go again

 

Please give up on this. I'm all out of popcorn. Seriously though, you gotta be blue in the face by now. Just admit to yourself that you are not going to win this battle and continuing logging the way you do and everyone else will log the way they do.