DOT REGULATIONS ON TEXAS TIME

I am kind of confused. Our company is registered as interstate. We sometimes go outside of Texas, over 100 miles, to deliver to our work sites. We travel to NM to our worksites with are under 100 miles.
Intrastate rules in Texas say 150 mile exemption. I understand we travel to NM then we are interstate which utilize the 100 mile exemption. Since we are interstate do we have to follow the 100 mile rule if we do not leave Texas for a trip? Or can we utilze the 150 mile exemption? We are listed as oil and gas company.

 

the 150 mile radius rule in texas means you do not have to do logs. so how do you keep up with your time or how is it tracked. a time card like the old days. outside of the 150 miles radius but still in texas means you have to do logs(15 hr rule). so there are actually two hours of service possibilities depending on how you are set up as a driver in texas

 

actually there are more hours of service possibilities,you have to find which one you fall under.

 

We haul frac sand n Texas. We run Texas 70/7. Typically all of our loads r short about 50 to 60 miles and we make about 2loads a day. Every day we drive about 2 to 4 hours a day and with about 1 hour loading/unloading time. Each night after midnight our eld adds driving time. Even though we drive everyday time is added back. My question is this legal. I have searched and no one knows the answer. I know all of us who drive for the company hardly ever reset because we never reach 70 hours due to driving time added Dailey

 

On Peoplenet running TEXAS 70/7 intrastate every night just after midnight more driving time is added so if I drive 3 hours a day hauling frac sand 4 hours is added back after midnight is this legal. It’s on eld it certainly doesn’t seem legal, because u never reach ur 70.

 

Yes, it's legal. Prior to 2004, there was no such thing as a "reset" ...you just didn't have hours if you'd worked 70 hours in 8 days (current + 7 previous). Do you understand WHY hours are being added? The time you were on the clock 8 days ago is no longer relevant.

For example if you come back from vacation on the 1st of the month with a clean slate...you work the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. On the 8th, you're still counting all of those hours (current + 7 previous days). On the 9th, the hours you worked on the 1st are no longer counted against your 70...they "fall off", which is why you're seeing time added to your clock. On the 10th, the hours worked on the 2nd are no longer relevant. And so on and so forth. Only the current day and the 7 days previous matter.

That's federal 70-in-8. Works the same with federal 60-in-7, or any other limit imposed by a state for intrastate work...only the hours worked on the days falling inside of that 7 or 8 day window matter. Once the day falls outside of that window, the hours no longer count against you and you get them back.

 

Try telling that to a judge.

 

Is it a Texas judge?.

 

Before I left the OTR world a few months ago I always thought the 70/14/11 HOS were standard across the board. The exceptions being farmers (no HOS requirements) and day cab (150 air mile, No HOS)

Now, I'm a local driver with the occasional overnight run. Being on a Monday - Friday work schedule, I never bump the 70. I do occasionally (rare) go over my 14. But we have the 16 hour rule. Basically, if I've returned to my home terminal the past 5 duty days, I can use 2 extra hours on my 14 provided I have hours left on my 11.

Example of my ELOG screen:

11 Driving: 5hr 45 mins
16 Hour (Drvng): 4hr 32 mins
14 Hour: 2hr, 32 mins

In this example, I can drive for 4hrs 32 mins.

Obviously, there's more on the screen that that, but just wanted to illustrate the 16 rule. Again, can only be used once a week (I think).

Point is there's more rules and exceptions than a lot of you OTR types (and me too before a few months ago) think..