Personal Conveyance

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Scalemaster, Aug 25, 2018.

  1. brian991219

    brian991219 Road Train Member

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    The answer will depend on the officer that inspects you. Personal conveyance in the US is a matter of FMCSA guidance, not actual law or regulation, and as such is open for officer discretion. Some states, like Pennsylvania rarely recogonize PC outside of very short, local trips to a store or restaurant. Other states seem to have a more liberal application.

    As for the guidance, FMCSA states that off-dury driving occurs when you are not operating the vehicle in furtherance of commerce. While under PC you are considered off-duty, so no further break would be required.

    That said, not to add to your already troubling situation but should you have a crash while way over normal hours of service the lawyers down here will eat you alive.

    Last thought, when reentering Canada, will they recogonize the personal conveyance as off-duty or will they require you to be in compliance with Canadian HOS and rest periods?

    Sorry about your mom, do what you feel is right, sort out the rest later.
     
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  3. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

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    If you are bobtail and not furthering or advancing towards a load you are not subject to 395.

    At that point you are not a commercial vehicle. Get home safely.
     
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  4. DonM

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    Can't do PC if OOS. You need to get a ride of have a qualified driver move the truck. Check the REGS on PC if OOS.
     
  5. farmboy73

    farmboy73 Medium Load Member

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    Deleted. Misread the quoted post.
     
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  6. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

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    Depends. If the driver is placed OOS he can not drive a CMV until the OOS is satisfied. If the vehicle is OOS it must be repaired or towed.
     
  7. farmboy73

    farmboy73 Medium Load Member

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    I misread the post. I initially thought the poster was referring to using PC when out of hours based on the prior context of the thread.
     
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  8. Studebaker Hawk

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    The whole Personal Conveyance thing as it was originally intended: take the tractor, probably a day cab from the terminal over to Joe's Pizza 2.4 miles away for lunch or dinner then go to the motel.
    Now of course it is being contorted all over the place. One company I know lets it's drivers go up to 350 miles, the distance the driver who lives the furthest from the terminal.
    The fallacy is this. Let's assume you have been driving for 10+ hours, drop your trailer at the terminal, or customer, or wherever and go onto PC. You are now using a 10 ton vehicle in place of your normal 2 ton vehicle, you are tired, out of hours, or you wouldn't be using the PC exemption. If you do have an accident it is going to be more severe with the larger vehicle, not to you but the motoring public around you. Add scenario's like have been cited in this and other threads, death in family or other personal emergency, and the situation gets worse. That driver is distracted by thinking, worrying about events at home.
    Personal Conveyance should be eliminated because of the potential danger to the public and it's widespread abuse. If the HOS need to be rewritten, the real reason here, then let's get on with it....
     
  9. tucker

    tucker Road Train Member

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    This thread really got derailed
     
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  10. scottied67

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    Not yet..... How about PC causes Global Heating LOL

    *stepping back to admire the blaze....*
     
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  11. rogueunh

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    Intended by who? Certainly not the people that wrote the guidance for PC. Can be at a hotel, get bored, and go grab your fully loaded truck with trailer and off you go.
    Bobtail has zero to do with it. Maybe if you're driving a straight truck it can't be a triaxle, tandems only for PC?
    Make cloudy rules, get cloudy results.
     
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