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8-2 split explained in an easy to understand format

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Here is a good example of split
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Wasted Thyme, Feb 24, 2020

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After 8hrs in sleeper, you get what was left on the last shift.

if you drove 7 hrs in a 9 hr period, then after 8 in sleeper you will be able to roll 4 hrs on a 5 hr shift.

Dslmel, Feb 24, 2020

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After 8hrs in sleeper, you get what was left on the last shift.

if you drove 7 hrs in a 9 hr period, then after 8 in sleeper you will be able to roll 4 hrs on a 5 hr shift.
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Not exactly .. if the 2 hours you didn't drive during that 9 hours was contiguous and off duty, then you also get back the time prior to the end of 2 hours and the 2 hours.

MysticHZ, Feb 25, 2020

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Its not... drove 7.. 15 pre/15 post or 5min pre would not give u 2hrs....

Trying to keep it simple stupid (KISS) not you ... idea... so keep it simple and u will have the guaranteed time next shift as stated.

Getting technical, then yes, you are correct, except the 14hr clock for that next shift would have started when the 2hr break was up in that first shift that previous day and the 8 sleeper would just finalize.

All kind of ways to do it, but to start, so you get a understanding then KISS... (for those newbies) Dont show them College geometry when they only in Kindergarten math. Give it time.

Dslmel, Feb 25, 2020

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My ELD (Maven) messes this up more often than not.

tarmadilo, Feb 25, 2020

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Yea.. some ELD just not set with complete dot rules.. mines puts me in violation onduty after 14hr (not driving)

Dslmel, Feb 25, 2020

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I have seen and heard the split berth provision explained many times and found the explanations often just confuses folks. While driving I started trying to think of an easy way to define the rule and make it easy to understand and remember. I came up with 4 rules.

Please, if any information I post here is incorrect feel free to correct me (posting the pertinent reg would be helpful as well). The method I use was taught to me at orientation and I have used it a few times with no complaints from the logging department.

Rule 1. The 2 hour break may be any combination of sleeper and off duty time.

Rule 2. The 8 hour break must be 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper.

Rule 3. Only 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper will extend the 14.

Rule 4. The new 14 begins after the FIRST qualifying break, but not until you have completed the second qualifying break.

It seems this rule was put in place to make your driving time more flexible, but is so confusing no one uses it, then complains about having to pack a full 11 hours of driving into a 14 hour period making driving a marathon and this is just not the case.

Here are 2 examples of using the split berth provisions.

Example 1

You start a fresh 14. You drive for 5 hours and get hungry. Maybe you want to stop and get a sit down meal, use the restroom, and take a decent break. You take a 2 hour break (any combination of off duty and sleeper). You get back on the road and have 7 hours left of your 14 and 6 hours of driving. Now you drive for 5 more hours and your 11 is almost up. You park and take an 8 hour break in the sleeper. That 8 hour break completes the split berth and after your 8 hour break you have 6 hours of drive time and 9 hours of your 14 left. You did not waste any time, and you did not crush out 10 straight hours of driving. You are not fatigued and feel good.

Example 2

You start a fresh 14. But during your 10 hour break you had to do laundry (you do wash your clothes right?), take a shower, maybe talk to family, pay some bills online, whatever. So while you had a 10 hour break in reality you got only 5 hours sleep. You can't sleep past your 10 hour break because you have a pickup appointment you can't miss. So you drive 1 hour to the shipper and make the pickup. You leave the shipper an hour later but you know you shouldn't drive as you are exhausted. So you find a place to park, say an hour away, and take an 8 hour nap in the sleeper. That 8 hour break extends your 14. So after your 8 hour break you still have 11 of your 14 and 9 of your 11. You are well rested and alert now. Now say you drive for 5 hours after your 8 hour nap and stop for a 2 hour break. Now your 14 starts at the end of your previous 8 hour break. You have 6 hours of your 11 left and 7 hours of your 14.

I know it seems confusing but it can really be useful if you try it. Just remember the 4 rules.
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Hello there can anyone tell me more about the split time

So I usually drive from canada to usa 28 hours of driving, I usually drive total of 10.5 hours in a day ( i do take 30 min to 1 hours off before the 8 hours driving) and than take 10 hours off.

With the split time how can I make it better ? Can I drive like the same amount of time than sleep for 8 hours and drive another 10.5 and sleep another 2 hours will this reset my time ?

Im sorry but I'm new on the trucking and with buses you can't do this

Maxmx701, Jan 14, 2021

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Could anyone tell me, does this explanation correlate to the current (2021) rules? Everybody is so scared of this split break since they brought it back, but I want to know what my options are so I can benefit from it when I need to. Thanks in advance

SPC_MOORE, May 26, 2021

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Could someone tell me, does this explanation correlate to the current (2021) rules? Everyone is so scared of the split break since they brought it back, but I want to know what my options are, so I can benefit from it when I need to. Thanks in advance!

SPC_MOORE, May 26, 2021

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SPC_MOORE said: ↑

Could someone tell me, does this explanation correlate to the current (2021) rules? Everyone is so scared of the split break since they brought it back, but I want to know what my options are, so I can benefit from it when I need to. Thanks in advance!
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Yes, 8/2 o 2/8 is still in effect. They have added a ton of flexibility to it now to include a 3/7 or 7/3 as well. It is my understanding that we can do 2.5 hour break then a 7.5 hour break as well or any combination over a minimum of 2 hours but less than 3 and the balance more than 7 but less than 10 for a legal split.

scottied67, May 26, 2021

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