8/2 split question

oh yeah. i forgot about the lovely 30 minute.

i'm looking a pdf,would love to link it but cant get the link to paste yet work.

here's the problem above. copied from pdf.

-Once you have driven a total of 11 hours, you have reached the driving limit and must be off duty for another 10 consecutive hours (or equivalent) before driving your truck again.-

2hrs off,then 5 more hours driving,after reaching 11hours driving, is a violation. correct?

Coming off a 10 hr break
Drive 5 hrs -5
Take 8hr sleeper -stops clock.
Drive 6 hrs - 5 + 6 = 11
Take 2 hr off duty
Drive 5 hrs - back to driving,after accumulation 11 hours,after just a 2 hour break.

 

here it is,this should work,its a pdf mind you.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...zb-7CNgjg&sig2=5_tojG8J5ij3NCyg8xeW8Q&cad=rja

 

No, not correct! There is no "24 hour" stipulation. Including the 30 minute mandatory break before the eighth hour (on duty) a driver can legally drive 13.25 hours in your 24 hour day.
Example:
1. Flag PTI and begin drive 4.5 hours beginning at 0001 hours
2. 30 minute mandatory break
3. Drive 6.5 hours end with PTI 0.25
4. 10 hour break.... it is now 2145 hours leaving you 2 hours and 15 minutes before midnight. You drove 11 hours and now with 2.25 hours to go, you total 13.25 driving hours in the "24 hour" day.

You need to "forget" that 24 hour thing. 24 hours is one calendar day, a log is not restricted to a calendar day, at midnight the next calendar date begins...you just roll through. Once you complete a 10 hour break (sleeper, off duty, or combination of off duty and sleeper) that 10 restarts the 14 hour clock. Simple as that!
As to the 8/2 split...technically, you can string out as many 8's as you want. Let's say you drive 5 and take an 8, now drive 4 and stop for an intended 2 hour break. You fall asleep and wake up 5 hours later. You could only legally drive for 2 additional hours, however, if you stay in the sleeper for 3 hours (completing a second 8 sleeper) you would be more rested and have 7 hours to drive before a required 2 hour break, then after the 2 you have 4 hours to drive before the next 8 or 10 break. The last 2 hours of the previous 8, combined with the current 8 equals the 10 required for the 8/2 split. Confused yet?

Also....the 8 must be in sleeper, the 2 can be either sleeper or off duty or both.

 

ok,looking at the blue example box bottom of page 14,and top of page 15. i think i see what you are saying,and you appear to be correct. the new calc. point is the end of the 8 hour,as long as it is finished off with the 2 hour. nice,some learning after swimming in math.

thanks for the input kmac and ncmickey.

 

Where you're confusing yourself, it's not adding the 8th and the two as one 10 hour break. So when you get to the end of the next 5 hours driving , only 11 hours out of the 22 or spend driving the two breaks add together to make 10.

Now to continue on he drives five more hours after the 8 hour break. 8x8 another 2-hour break and drives 6 more. Once again 11 hours driving 10 hours break.

If you go back to his example and add each and every 22 hour segment doesn't really matter if you started with it the driving or the break or which driving or break. You choose to start with they will all come out to 11 driving 10 break. Therefore it's legal.

 

Fear not - after 13 years I still can't grasp the split sleeper concept as it stands now.

My goal is to drive 8 and rest for 16.

 

yeah,this thread caused me to look closely at the rules again. i've never had log violation. but its still good to really know the laws. i don't know where 24hr got in my head along the way.

we had drivers getting violations that i thought were wrongly issued. i really think so now.

thanks for the input guy,this should be a helpful thread for many with your inputs.

 

The real confusion to this rule is that the 8/2 deals with LINE 3 DRIVING, not Line 4 On Duty Not Driving. The accumulated 70 factors in any time used on Line 4 with time accumulated on Line 3.

 

Thanks for the clarification @KMac
The hardest part of this rule is explaining it. It's very easy to get sucked down the rabbit hole of confusion.
When I am driving, in my head, I can figure it out. Explaining it gets confusing though.
And reading the 'green bible' just makes the situation worse... lol

 

You are not in violation. There is no law against any amount of drive or on duty time in a 24 hour period. The HOS only regulate max drive time before your next 10 hour (or split) break. You can legally log 13ish hours of drive time in a 24 hour period if you are really gung ho.

Edit: DOH pays to read a whole thread before ya respond as someone else already mentioned this. lol

But ya, the 8/2 can be confusing as heck to get at first, BUT once you understand it you see the HOS in a whole new light. And this stuff is our bread and butter, folks! It pays to know your regs!