Advanced logging - Split sleeper berth explained

Just looking over this thread, but look at the log on the first day. He took an hour in the sleeper from 12:15 to 1:15, drove for a bit then took off duty from 2 to 3. My understanding is that those two hours need to be consecutive for it to work. That may be what got him into trouble.

 

Ok, going over it again, I was wrong. But maybe the DOT saw it the way I first saw it. I'm trying to figure it out myself because the way I have been doing it, I lose some time on the road. Some customers have me wait for more than a couple hours, and I still take my full 10 at the end of the day.

Want to maximize my available hours.

 

This is where Elogs rules

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If you can qualify a contiguous couple of hours, off duty and/ or sleeper while on the docks, your next break only needs to be 8 in the sleeper. A good way to find out if it is advantageous for you is to visit logbook.com and download the free program then punch in your paper log times, it will show you when the red time starts that you cannot drive beyond. So in other words you can play it out in advance into the future time using conventional 11drive/10 break and 2/8 split and see if you can still get the load there on time or even earlier.

Imagine 2 drivers coming off 12 hour break at the truckstop parked side by side going to the same shipper at 0800sitting side by side getting loaded for 3 hours.
Driver 1 goes 5 hours down the road and logs 8 hours in the sleeper. He's got a good parking spot before the truck stops filled up.
Driver 2 drives about 9 hours out and his first choice of truck stop is full to the gills. No problem he says, I still have a little over an hour left, and the next 3 truck stops are full so he makes his own spot just before his clock runs out. Some hours later the truck stop manager comes out and bangs on his door to move it, now he has a log violation, not to mention his sleep cycle got interrupted. Meanwhile Driver 1 has already been back out on the road for a few hours making time and distance to the target. He stops at the same truck stop his partner is at and goes in for a hot fresh shower and a big fat sit down breakfast which takes 2 hours. Then he rolls over to the final and backs into a dock and begins to get unloaded for an hour when his buddy finally shows up to check in for which dock to back up to.

Driver 1 had an 11 hour break
Driver 2 had a 13 hour break

 

Was just looking at the new HOS rules coming in July. WOW, what a pooch screw!

I doubt that I'm even going to try anything while I'm down south. I may request my company to keep me out of the US with all the changes they're doing now. What an utter joke it is down there. I feel sorry for drivers who live down there and wonder how they can make anything with the garbage they have to put up with.

So effing arse backwards the federal DOT are.

So simple here at home. 13 hours drive in a 14 hour window which can be extended to 16 if there is some off duty or sleeper berth in there. Go to sleep for 8 hours and you're good to go again. I'm simplifying it, but that's how it is here.

 

It is only complicated for those that have not put forth the effort to understand it. This 8 and 2 split thing is no different, in theory and in practice, than the old split sleeper we had in the "old" rules. With those, there had to be a minimum period of 2 hrs for it to count. With these, the very same thing. The other 8 hrs are made up later to complete the 10. True, we had more flexibility with the old rules in that we could do all kinds of 4 and 4, 2 and 6, 3 and 5, etc type of things, but the smallest split had to be at least 2 hrs, just like now, to qualify as a part of the split. Try not making this stuff more complicated than it needs to be.

I guess I am in awe that we have had the current rules for almost a decade and folks still do not have a grasp on the split sleeper game. That is sure not a good testament to the quality of the modern 21st century truck driver. And folks wonder why truck drivers are still classified as unskilled labor.

 

No, it's not the split sleeper thing that I was talking about in my last post. Was looking over the new rules and they seem so convoluted. The one thing that gets me is only allowing one reset per week. FMCSA seems to be on a tear to screw drivers out of hours left and right.

 

Well, that one reset a week is better than what drivers had from 1939 to 2003..... none.

 

OK after reading and reading and pretty much wanting to beat my head against a fence post I've decided to post hopefully it will be answered quick got the whole recapping thing figured so I should be able to get this lol but there's a app for that lol ..anyways don't ask why oother then poor thinking but here goes need to know if I did this correct , started a fresh 11/14 drove 10 with only a 1/2 30 min break in there stopped for 8 got up put in fuel would of waited but thought I was starting to gell anyways if I go back to sleep for 2 more hrs after fueling or off duty for shower and food my 14 would start at the end of the 8th sleeper correct ? And I wouldn't lose any drive time since I didn't drive just lose 30 min on duty against the 14 ?

 

Yep. Both 11 and 14 would start from the end of the 8. You are correct that the only thing you'd have is some time off of your 14... the 30 minutes on-duty time (line 4,) but the 2-hour break (line 1 or 2) counts against your 14 as well. You'd have 11-hours of driving available, and 11.5 hours on your 14 to do it in.