Driver pay

Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by Bret1984, Nov 21, 2021.

  1. Bret1984

    Bret1984 Light Load Member

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    If in fact there actually is a truck driver shortage which many drivers (myself included) believes is a myth then how much of a role does the industries exception to the FLSA play into that? OTR, cents per mile now sit on loading docks for hours and make no money. Oilfield, percent of the load now sit in staging pads for hours and make no money. Local job, $14hr no benefits and no overtime. Not to mention pre-hire orientation instead of new hire orientation. Having done both the only difference is you get paid for one and not the other. Could enforcing the labor laws on the transportation industry better attract and retain talent?
     
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  3. Chinatown

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    I've sat at docks for hours, but never without being paid. That's a myth also, that drivers have to sit there for free.
    If a driver sits there for free, then that's the drivers fault; he's working for the wrong company.
     
  4. Lunatic Fringe

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    The, "driver shortage" is a myth perpetuated by the ATA to justify their ridiculous, "solutions" that all end the same way - flooding the market with less qualified drivers so their members can pay drivers less. Whether it's green cards for foreigners to come to the US and drive trucks or training teenagers to drive trucks in high school it's about paying drivers less, not a shortage of drivers.

    You know who doesn't think there's a driver shortage? The US Labor Department. They know that if there were a shortage the solution would be to pay drivers more to attract more people to the industry - just like every other industry. Wages have been slowly moving up, but still not keeping pace with inflation. The real problem is, "churn". The annual driver turnover rate for US trucking companies with revenues over $30 million/yr. (also know as the membership of the American Trucking Association) is 92%!

    I don't agree with Pete Buttigieg on much, but I will give credit where it is due (no matter how painful):

    We are glad that people are joining the industry -- we just need to improve conditions and raise wages so they stay. Until then, we are dealing with a bucket so leaky that simply turning up the faucet cannot solve the problem.

    While I will gladly co-sign on @Chinatown's sentiment - if you're not being paid fairly find another job - the devil is in the details. It's often difficult to find out all the gory details about a given carrier until you actually sign on unless you have a blood relative already on their payroll.
     
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  5. Lunatic Fringe

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    Funny thing, the states have been trying to pass legislation to pay drivers fairly. In Washington if an employee is paid by any way other than a salary or hourly (such as per mile) the employer must provide a paid 10 minute break every 4 hours. Shazam! Almost every trucking company switched to hourly pay. Being paid hourly also means the driver is entitled to overtime after 40 hours/wk. under Washington law. Drivers made more money. Extra, unpaid tasks (safety training, meetings, etc) were minimized or disappeared completely. Oddly, it was as if when employers had to pay you for your time it had value to them. No companies went broke. No one went blind. Trucks keep moving, much like they did before the law passed.
     
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  6. DRTDEVL

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    If you think they did that for the workers, you are sorely mistaken. Much like CA's AB5,. it was all about increasing the tax base. By removing mileage pay they remove per diem, therefore increasing the tax burden on the worker.
     
  7. Lunatic Fringe

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    No. Washington has no income tax and I still get per diem.
     
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  8. Bret1984

    Bret1984 Light Load Member

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    Yeah, they'll toss you $20 after 3 hours...
     
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  9. Chinatown

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    Which company is that?
    I was always paid so much just for the stop, then hourly pay after one hour.
    The stop pay took care of the first hour.
    That's two questions I always asked when looking for a new job;
    1. How much is the stop pay?
    2. When does detention pay start?
    Drivers getting screwed on pay while loading or unloading didn't ask the right questions before they took the job.
     
  10. Pamela1990

    Pamela1990 Road Train Member

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    Sounds like you need to quit, and find a better gig.
     
  11. Bret1984

    Bret1984 Light Load Member

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    I did and it will be a cold day in hell before I ever do OTR/regional again. Of course that's where they supposedly really need people. All the crying about the mythical driver shortage is all just OTR companies complaining about people not wanting to live in their trucks for piecework pay.
     
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