Installing a dedicated APU fuel tank?

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  1. Farmerbob1

    Farmerbob1 Road Train Member

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    This will not be happening in the near term, but if one were to install a dedicated APU fuel tank, say a 10 gallon tank with steps in place of catwalk steps, would you be able to legally buy reefer (untaxed) fuel for it, since it is not fuel for the primary engine?

    APUs do not use a huge amount of fuel, but they do use enough that being able to buy untaxed fuel to operate them would repay the cost of installing a small dedicated fuel tank fairly rapidly.

    I cannot do this in the short term because the company whose authority I am running under would almost certainly object to my using their account to pay for my APU fuel, since they currently pay 100% of reefer fuel costs.

    However, in the long term, I might go dry van, or o/o under my own authority. In the first case, I might be able to simply pay for all 'reefer' fuel, since I would no longer be buying fuel for reefer trailers. In the second case, I would be paying for all the fuel anyway.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Yes. You can even burn red fuel if you want. As long as its a separate system for the apu. There is a company in Canada (Robert from Quebec) I've seen some of their trucks have this setup.

    Probably cost more to setup than its worth though. They refill it at their yard. Where will you buy untaxed fuel? Will you have a tank large enough to go far enough between refilling? If you run out, is it easy to prime an apu to get it going again? If you carry 25 gallons, that's ~175 in fuel probably 200 pounds total increasing your tare weight. Apu burns how much...? .3g/hr? .5?

    I think this is squeezing the penny a little too hard for a single truck operation...
     
  4. Old Man

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    Why bother, it would take several years to recoup the cost, plus the hassle at the fuel pumps, and if you get stranded in bad weather even at a truck stop, you could run out of fuel or have a hard time getting to the pump, or toting a 5 gal can to the fuel island.
    If your cost are so tight a $100 a year could make a difference you need to find a better way to cut cost, like improve fuel mileage, get better fuel discounts, or haul better paying freight.
     
  5. Farmerbob1

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    Well, you can buy untaxed fuel pretty much anywhere by selecting 'reefer' fuel at the pump.

    If you buy a rail mounted fuel tank with accessories it would probably cost about 1200 turnkey? Let's say 1500 dollars to be safe.

    Average fuel tax per gallon is 60 cents.

    To break even on the cost of a 1500 dollar installation, that means 2500 gallons of APU fuel.

    At .3 gallons per hour, that would be 8300 hours of APU operation to pay off the cost of the fuel tank.

    If you run the APU on average 5 hours per day, that is 1666 days. Or a bit less than 5 years.

    At first glance this seems like a weak investment. However, it is a fuel tank. Unless you do something severe to it, maintenance is near zero. Sure, some hoses, valves, sensors might go bad, but those are not major expenses. A fuel tank can last a long, long time.

    After you do get the investment paid off, you are pocketing a couple extra dollars every day. At today's fuel tax prices.

    These numbers assume a 1500 dollar install, and average 60 cent per gallon fuel tax. Both of those numbers can vary wildly.

    My concern was mostly about the legality of buying tax-free fuel for APU operation.
     
  6. Farmerbob1

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    As for bad weather and access to fuel, I doubt anyone would have a problem with you manually siphoning a bit of fuel from the taxed fuel tank to the untaxed one. The reverse, of course, would not be acceptable to the taxman.
     
  7. gokiddogo

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    Well, you can buy untaxed fuel pretty much anywhere by selecting 'reefer' fuel at the pump.

    You still pay it. Then you have to convince the gov to give it back. I don't think I have that option as a Canadian :(
     
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  8. Rubber duck kw

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    A couple bucks a day, you're going to through all that for 600 bucks a year?
     
  9. Farmerbob1

    Farmerbob1 Road Train Member

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    600 dollars a year for something that will require practically zero maintenance? Yes.

    If fuel taxes go up, it will save more money, faster.

    After you buy the tank, if you buy a new truck, you just install the tank on the new truck. One time investments that make money practically forever with little cost shouldn't be sneezed at.

    On the other hand, it will reduce cargo capacity by a couple hundred pounds. It will also require separate fueling actions at the pump.

    The biggest concern I have is that I will have to choose between a APU fuel tank and a lockable storage box for tools and supplies. Extra room for tools, oil, antigel, etc. Would be welcome.
     
  10. GreenPete359

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    This could be done in a couple hours on a Saturday afternoon. Yes, i would absolutly do it. I’d do it now, not wait. You can select reffer fuel & pay cash. So after you fuel the truck & reffer, go inside had the lady $50 and tell her turn pump * on for reffer fuel please. Simple. Then if you ever put a pump on that truck, you’ll already have a 25 gallon hydraulic tank installed. Just need to plumb it up for that purpose.
     
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  11. Farmerbob1

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    I should probably wait until I get an APU installed. Current truck is an opti-idle truck.

    APU installation will hopefully happen in six months or so, or when I have 20k in my personal account, and at least 10k in the maintenance account. Likely will be a used Thermoking unit from a TK dealer.
     
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