Is going off duty on elogs while driving under 25mph a violation?

There you go. Thanks.

 

Actually a lot of the newer elog systems are "aware" of this this type of cheating and if the wheels start moving before a set time period expires it retroactively puts on back on the drive line.

 

No. Not legal. Also, you can't be off-duty driving if you're under dispatch, or driving a vehicle over 26,000GVW. You have to be bobtail, not under dispatch, on line 5. Send the video. The more drivers who are professional the better we all are. Losers like this trainer shouldn't be out there.

 

26,000 GVW has nothing to do with it. Bobtail isn't a factor either. Unladen means no load in/on the wagon. You can be pulling an empty wagon behind you, as long as you are not on your way to pick up your next load. If you are not under dispatch and you are empty, you can use the personal conveyance rule to drive while off duty....BUT that allowance is in place to allow you to drive the short distance home from your regular reporting location, find meals or lodging near where you are laid over, etc....NOT so that you can drive half way across the country saving your hours.

 

Ours is set up this way. If you move after putting it off duty far enough to trigger a status change it takes all that off duty time away from you. The QC at my previous company gave a minute 'grace' period to change the status back before it was set in stone and keep the previous status. The peoplenet where I am now won't give that luxury. The only way to 'cheat' that 30 minute break in traffic is if you truly don't move more than 7/10 in that 30 minutes. It also goes back and takes all the time from the time you push in the brakes once you start for the day so you don't release the brakes until you really ready to go. If it takes 5 minutes to get out of the parking lot or gate it's better just to manually put it on the drive line once you get to the road so you don't lose all that time it took to get there.

some places it has more to do with a more restrictive company policy than regs. My previous company allowed line 5 but you had to ask for it. This was so they could admonish you face to face that it was 30 minutes in any 24hr period and only to be used bobtail and that you were not allowed to use it pulling an empty under dispatch or not. My current company tightens it up even more and says bobtail only and you must return to the point you went on line 5 before going back on duty. And they check. If I were to hazard a guess I'd say the fairly typical 'bobtail only' restrictions the companies are placing on line 5 use is to reduce their exposure to liability if someone screws up while using line 5. You can't back a trailer into something/someone or cut a corner too tight and drag a trailer across a car or a sign ect ect ect if you aren't pulling one.

 

I would love someone to post the section and guidence for line 5, never seen it in a logbook.

 

You dont have to rat the guy out, but hes a douchebag not a driver. Simply let your driver manager know you can not get along with this driver, if he press you then tell him.

When ever I have had a trainee with me I have always treated them in a way I would want to be treated, alway showed them legal logging, maybe a few trick back before EBOR's. such as how to round hours correctly.

Showers, well if you fuel use your card, if you go to the fuel desk and explain your a team driver they should give you a shower, go to the manager if needed, but you should never pay for a shower. Same with hotdogs, there free as long as there gone before the register and they dont ask..( joke, relax)

 

OK so you don't want to drive a truck as a professional?

So you want to waste your time going through training to get a CDL and then to be paired with this idiot just to learn very bad habits so to eventually lose your license?

IF I was you, I would be on the phone with the company asking safety if there is something written to show how it is done by their standards so to make sure he is doing it right and you get past any DOT inspections.

 

Our QC will put you off drive line if sitting still,like at a shipper,and you forget to go off the drive line.
I can take mine off drive line,if sitting in a wreck,and be just on duty.If you move over one
mile,it automatically goes onto drive line.

The bad trainer,is another nightmare unto itself.If you rat,or try to do the right thing in regards
to being placed with a bad trainer,it sometimes comes back to bite the student.
Theres many stories on here about students in your same situation.
I always suggest thinking outside the box,and get him at his own game.
Eat some sardines,leave empty cans laying around,strict diet of pork-n-beans,stuff like that.
Talk a lot in your sleep,when awake be real nice to him,and randomly start telling stories
about people you've beat hell out of in the past,and how much fun it is to torture small animals..
You know?Guy stuff,and scratch yourself a lot, but never admit to scratching a lot.
Try to do all this,while killing him with kindness.
You have to out stupid a guy like this,I guess is what Im trying to say.When in doubt,fart..

 

He is exactly the type of trainer that gives all trainers a bad reputation. .. he needs to be pulled as a trainer...

As i said, i do understand creative logging, and yes, I have done it myself. .. but, as a trainer I do not.. the company expects me to train the new driver to drive effeciently, safely and legally. .. I am also expected to show them how to live on the road.. meaning, how to get showers, laundry done, eat and even budget their money...

Personally myself, I shower every day.. whether I am rolling solo or with a trainee... I hope my trainee also wants to shower daily.. but, they only have to shower at least every other day... I have ample shampoo, conditioner, soap, deodorant, mouth wash, toothpast, toothbrushes, razors, brushes and combs... so if my trainee cant afford those things I will and do provide them for them... the showers for the most part are free with fuel.. but I am not apposed to paying for them if need be... I also have plenty of laundry supplies and expect that we both wear clean clothes... on hot days, or days where I get dirty, I will change my clothes... and if need be yes, I will give them quarters to do their laundry... I understand that trainees may not have money.. but, I do.. I didnt become a trai er because I couldnt cut it on my own and needed to train to make money... those are the trainers that have no business training. .

Your trainer has no right to yell at you or degrade you... you are co workers.. and you should be treated with respect..

As for no one likes a rat... look, i may know or see a driver breaking some rules or company policy and not turn them in... but, I do not feel the same when it comes to trainers... you should be completely open an honest with your company about what your trainer is doing or not doing... trainers, get compensated for training, we get assigned better equipment, we are given better loads... there are benifits to being a trainer.. so trainers should be held to a higher standard...

I do not teach or train my trainees how to creatively log... when they get their truck there will be plenty of opportunity for them to learn those things from fellow drivers... and if they choose to do those things and get a ticket or get fired it is on them not me... I taugnt them how to run effeciently, safely and legally..

You know what kind of a trainer your trainer is... do you think he deserves the extra pay and benefits of being a trainer.. if not, then he needs to be removed from training. .. the bad trainers need to go.. so stude ts need to report openely and honestly to the company about their trainers...