Log book theory. Can you put all 8 hours spent at the shipper on 2nd line?

5 is exactly what was adressed by the courts. Unless you are required by the shipper/reciever/your company to be on the dock or immediately available to do something with the truck.. you CAN be off duty/sleeper.

YOU have been around long enough in the real world to know there are many times this occurs.

Yesterday I loaded at a steel supplier. Point blank posted in the office and in the bay... "driver not allowed around trailer during loading".

Took them roughly 1.5 hours to load. In that time I walked to the head. Had a couple of smokes. Scratched my rear.... line 1/offduty.

 

Yesterday I spent 4 hrs in the sleeper cat napping whule waiting on luve load

 

could always log that 8 spent in the sleeeper while wairing on duty then head some where to take a 10

 

That's the gooberments idea. Not mine. Like i stated. NONE of us follow it.

If you consider all the rules we are governed by and what they want to impose on us in the future. The bottom line is this. THEY want us to be off the streets. By making us use all our available hours as quickly as possible.

They threw in the 30 minutes. And at one point had that ridiculous requirement for the 34 restart. Tell me THAT wasn't a conspiracy to make us all park. Throw in the regulation that wants all time spent on cmv property as logged on duty. With a couple of exceptions.

I'll burn up my hours in 5 days. Usually exceeding those hours. FAR exceeding those hours in 8 days. Good thing i'm not on elogs.

 

Sleeper is the one off duty status sanctuary you CAN log legally at a customer. Off duty at the customer is a hard sell to an auditor.

Snowwy is right, all time at the customer must be logged on duty but there is a big out in there, we can log sleeper which no one can touch.

 

Aluminum in West of Frederick cages off the dock to drivers as of around 1994 summer. We had a driver get into the van trailer while it's being loaded. Forklift race into it with a couple ton of billets and mashed him proper. They hosed him off.

The next day chain link fence all around that particular dock to keep everyone else out except the forklift driver loading. I was the flatbed next pad over taking on 40 foot billets for Lancaster when it happened. *Shrugs. life is so easily lost over very stupid things like going into trailers while it's being loaded.

 

Mountains out of mole hills...

I've sat through 2 compliance reviews in the past 3 years. One when I worked in compliance for a trucking company and the second one in March for my own company.

I brought this subject up to both auditors. Both agreed that as long as a driver is not required to be on the dock and has no control over the truck/trailer, it's perfectly fine to log sleeper time while in the truck.

Officers tend to get a little stricter when flatbed or curtain van guys don't show a reasonable period of time for tarping/untarping though.

 

I personally log it on line 1. I never, ever use line 2. No need to. I get to a customer & I check in. I log line 1 until I'm loaded or unloaded. Then I log 5 minutes on line 4 cause that's all the time I need to back in the dock & get paperwork. Yes, I'm on elogs. If I was on paper I would have to log 15 minutes to bump the dock & get my paperwork. I've logged like this for 20 years & never been questioned.

 

It doesn't matter how long you got away with it, It only matters when the wrong officer looks at your logs today.