"Never do a buttonhook after you pass your CDL test"

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by expedite_it, Mar 31, 2025.

Do you agree with Knightcrawler that a truck driver should never buttonhook a right hand turn?

  1. I agree with Knightcrawler that after a trucker passes his CDL test, he should never buttonhook.

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  2. I agree with expedite_it that a driver should buttonhook right hand turns onto narrow streets.

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  3. I agree this thread needs to be closed

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  1. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    I think that this topic is worthy of its own thread because it is a digression from the topic "What important skills of truck driving did you learn after your first year of truck driving". I would like to discuss this further.

    On my "What important skills of truck driving did you learn after your first year of truck driving" thread, Knightcrawler wrote the following: "7# don't buttonhook. That's something that they have to teach you in school that you should never do after you pass the test."

    I strongly disagree with Knightcrawler on this. Knightcrawler says that he 40+ years of experience. I'm shocked that Knightcrawler thinks that a truck driver should never buttonhook after he passes his test to get his CDL.

    The post that Knightcrawler made that I am referring to on this thread is post #188 on the "What important skills of truck driving did you learn after your first year of trucking thread." Here is a link to Knightcrawler's post:

    What important skills of truck driving did you learn after your first year of trucking? | Page 19 | TruckersReport.com Trucking Forum | #1 CDL Truck Driver Message Board

    If you are pulling a 53' trailer, and if you need to make a right hand turn onto a narrow street, there are only two options if you do not buttonhook the turn:

    1# Jug handle the turn----If you jug handle a right hand turn, a car might think that you are changing lanes into the left lane, and the car might try to pass you on the right when you are turning to the right. You could wind up smashing your truck into the car. You can try to keep the rear of your trailer in the right lane when you jug handle, but if you do that, you're frequently not going to open up enough space to make the turn without going over a curb or hitting a utility poll or stop sign or something else.

    2# Make the right hand turn without buttonhooking it and without jug handling the turn.---- Just run the rear end of the trailer off the road and go over the curb with the trailer tires and hit a light pole, a utility pole, a stop sign, a yield sign, or a guard rail or a sign that tells pedestrians when to walk or something else.

    I've rode with numerous other drivers, many with as much experience as Knightcrawler claims to have. And ALL of the other drivers and trainers I have rode with would buttonhook right hand turns.
     
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  3. Arctic_fox

    Arctic_fox Experienced mx13 execrator

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    Considering im in an end dump with a split axle pulled by a long nose truck. I button hook almost daily and usually multiple times daily out of pure nessesity to fit down some roads with zero other options to get where i need to go. That split axle makes NOT button hooking a near 100% chance to knock #### over.

    Anyone who says you dont or should not button hook is either a liar a fool or is that one moron who has trailers in the shop for new tires repairs and alignments CONSTANTLY.
     
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  4. Off tracking

    Off tracking Light Load Member

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    If possible do both, jug handle as much as you can then buttonhook to finish, IMHO. You got to take what you can get.
     
  5. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    Do what's safe and necessary to move the freight.
    I smell another 40 page thread in the making once someone decides to correct every reply.
     
  6. Sons Hero

    Sons Hero Road Train Member

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    Relatively impressive that he has almost double as many posts as thanks. Proves the value of what he has to say IMG_3146.jpeg
     
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    OldeSkool Road Train Member

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    I do whatever it takes to make the turn. If this Knightrider/Knightcrawler/night crawler prefers to curb it that’s fine with me.
     
  9. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    @Knightcrawler I am going to ping Knightcrawler. Maybe he will.join the thread and give us some pithy information about why we should never buttonhook.
     
  10. Concorde

    Concorde Road Train Member

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    May as well invite @Knightcrawler to this Tacky Top Post Mountain thread.

    Vote for me!!! Lol
     
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    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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