Pre emission vs Emission engines

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  1. jinxutoo

    jinxutoo Light Load Member

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    I've been on both sides of your question. I had a truck I put 1.7 million on, 03 International 9400, good ole truck. The last year I had the truck it about broke me,between parts, repairs, down time and the stress.
    I bought a 2014 Prostar with a cummins, payed cash, had 420,000 on it. Charge air cooler went bad, had to put new clutch in it around 500,000 and it had the bendix wingman, (terrible system)after treatment issues constantly. So I payed around $44,000 for the truck put another $15,000 into it worked it to 590,000, cams went bad. Traded it off for a brand new truck and I will never buy used again. I've got 210,000 on this one now and getting rid of it in October for a truck I ordered, probably have around 340,000 when I get rid of it.
    If you buy used, I would look for an O/O getting rid of his and get maintenance records. When this one goes it will still have 2 years and 160,000 miles left on the manufacturers warranty.
     
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  3. mitmaks

    mitmaks Road Train Member

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    Definitely pre emission. I've owned emission truck. Spent 10k in parts over 4 years owning it, that's not counting 3.00/gal DEF
     
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  4. Brettj3876

    Brettj3876 Road Train Member

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    New or pre 2003. Those are the only 2 options worth entertaining for a 1 man band or a small fleet of 5 or less
     
  5. Brettj3876

    Brettj3876 Road Train Member

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    Personally I'd rather sink 60k into old iron and then you'll basically have a new pre emission ride. Just finding a good base that isn't ratted out is the hard part. Rebuild motor/trans, rears if need be and go through the suspension/drive line components and you got yourself a reliable money maker. Don't matter if it's Cat, mack , cummins or a detroit. They're all rock solid bullet proof. If you can do the majority of the work you'll save half the cost of a shop doing it. Run it for a year to get your bank account padded then do a paint job.....boom you got yer self a glider basically
     
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  6. abyliks

    abyliks Road Train Member

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    Just big nuts and bolts, it’s all rebuildable, 2000 and down or brand new are really the only way to go
     
  7. Largecar359

    Largecar359 Road Train Member

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    Both options are good ways to go. The only losing option is buying used and still having to deal with emissions. It’s a money pit, unreliable, and they are laying all over the place. So plenty of slick salesmen looking for you to walk in and get baited. Your 60k budget makes you a prime target for you to be their tow truck driver for the hunk of junk they wanna pawn off on you. Be careful.
     
  8. snowwy

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    The last truck I drove was a 07 w900.
    It had cat motor rebuilt. And it was time for another rebuild. NEW trans.

    Rear ends replaced 4 times. Ac compressor replaced 6 times. Wiring is shot on that truck. Etc.etc. Quite a few things that consistently break down.

    It literally bankrupted the company 5 times over. If that were his only truck.

    He could have had a brand new truck. And he has some very smart ase certified shops that does his major repairs.
     
  9. AModelCat

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    Sadly a lot of pre-emission trucks are ready for the junkyard. Frames and cabs only last so long. I'd say after about 20-25 years on a typical truck the frame is on borrowed time. Steel can only handle so many stress cycles before it gets fatigued and starts cracking. Rust takes its toll over time too.

    20 year old wiring is usually on its way out too.

    Unless you're handy with a wrench, have deep pockets and enough time to go over the whole truck, front to back before putting it to work I'd go new(er). Unless of course you find that rare pre-emission/pre-ELOG unicorn that is actually priced reasonably.
     
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  10. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    You can dump all the money you want in old Iron. If the truck don't want to work. It's time to trash it.
     
  11. DUNE-T

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    Did you mean $100k?
     
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