Propane Question

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  1. sarg0406

    sarg0406 Bobtail Member

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    I’m pretty new to propane, been hauling gas and ethanol for years though. I have been told that I need 60 PSI in my trailer to load. Here’s my question, if I get below that can I build pressure back up by loading through the vapor line instead of the spray line? If not, how would I go about raising the pressure in my trailer? Thank you.
     
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  3. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    Unless the plant where you load has specific requirements, you can load with any amount of pressure - I've loaded a trailer that had been flared down to zero many times before.

    If you need to raise your pressure, the only way I know to do that is to load through the liquid line instead of the vapor line or the spray bar. Or, you could load through the spray bar but leave the vapor valve closed for awhile, if your plant doesn't have a sensor in their vapor piping that will stop the flow of liquid if it senses low pressure.

    @haz-matguru , @Nsterns , @Shyrage have y'all ever heard of having a minimum trailer pressure to be able to load?
     
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  4. haz-matguru

    haz-matguru Road Train Member

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    Never,

    Not sure where this facility is. But I've loaded product so cold that the trailer only had 35 psi. And no issues with alarms etc. I've only heard of high pressure alarms shutting off pumps. Not low pressure alarms.
     
  5. Dave1837

    Dave1837 Road Train Member

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    A lot of the terminals I loaded out of had 50 psi minimum requirements, but I've never had my pressure checked by the plants. I've gone in with 30-35 and loaded just fine. Like @RockinChair said, you can raise your pressure by loading through the liquid line. Just be careful and keep a vapor recovery line hooked up in case you need it because when you get up towards 85-89% your pressure can jump really high unexpectedly. My pressure would start low at the beginning of the winter but would stay around 75 psi the rest of the season
     
  6. sarg0406

    sarg0406 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks everyone for the reply’s, now I know where to come when I need answers. I DO however have another question….. Tonight I delivered to a facility that had two tanks, both were open for my 8500 gal, one was a 30000 gal tank and the other was much smaller. I started unloading and the smaller tank quickly got up to 90% so I closed its valve. My question is, if I had kept the valve to the smaller tank open would the excess just go into the bigger tank with no problems? It seemed like my pump slowed down when I closed the valve on the smaller tank. Thanks again for any input.
     
  7. haz-matguru

    haz-matguru Road Train Member

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    When at a multiple tank facility always pump into the tank that uses to most gas first. If you don't know witch one it is. Look at the data plate on both tanks. Typically the older tank is the one that's used the most. Or just ask if the district is open.

    As for overflow going into the next tank. You did right by closing the valve once you reached 90%. But realistically tanks aren't to be filled over 85%. However districts are so busy in the winter that they will ask drivers to fill to 90%. But you never want to run a risk of over filling a tank and making the relief valves pop off. Because the springs could be weak from not being changed for years. Then the leak would be continuing until the tank is empty. Or the propane could come out so rapidly that it freezes up. And the ice ball holds the relief valve open until its beat shut with a BRASS HAMMER. Never a steel one that could create sparks!!!

    Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This happened 10 years ago. In an area where the tank was there long before the neighborhood got built around it. All the PTI driver had to do was get up there and beat it down.

     
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  8. Dave1837

    Dave1837 Road Train Member

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    Any facilities that I've gone to, the smaller tank never transfers to the bigger tank, it's always been the opposite. I never would assume though, I felt safer just shutting off tanks. Your pump definitely will slow down and it will unload slower once a tank is shut off
     
  9. RockinChair

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    You did the right thing by isolating the tank that was almost full so that it wouldn't receive any more product. The pump sound might change a little when you block in a valve, but as long as the level gauge on the receiving tank keeps going up and the level gauge on your trailer keeps going down everything should be all right.
     
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  10. sarg0406

    sarg0406 Bobtail Member

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    Thank you all again for the answers, I have one last one and this should be it for now, I do however really appreciate all the help I’ve gotten from you guys. My last question is how do I ensure that I get all the propane out of my smart hose? This last week it has cooled down dramatically in the MO, AR, and KS area and it seems like everytime I unhook my smart hose I can’t get it walked out and then I have issues getting it back in the storage tube on the trailer. Thank you again for all your help.
     
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  11. Cat sdp

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    Maybe they should change the relief valve every 30 years or so…..they certainly are up the outside carriers butts about everything
     
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