Weak PACBRAKE on 1995 12.7 S60

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  1. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    My mechanic was doing some head work 18 months back, and , in a classic 'Since you is in there' moment, I told him to rebuild the engine brakes. Brakes then performed worse than prior to touching them.

    He admitted that he could not 'set the clearance' correctly, and had ground a chamfer off the bottom of the plungers, and maybe this was the problem. So he removed the PACBRAKE set and installed a Jacobs set until he could source new plungers.

    Jacobs were substantially noisier, and weaker than the untouched PACBRAKE. Plungers proved difficult to source, PACBRAKE told me they no longer have parts for that set, mechanic sourced some from E-bay that were the same 3/4" OD. The original 12 consisted of 6 that had an oil orifice, and 6 that were solid - he had a machine shop plug the orifices on 6, to get back to square one.

    Re-installed yesterday, I test ran it - weaker than ever. All 3 stages function, but are very quiet, and fail to retard speed even bobtail. The Jacobs that were in there had begun to throw CEL and cut between Stage 2 and 3 erratically.

    He said the setting was to wind the screw down then back off a half turn, for .025" clearance, but was concerned that all he could get on 2 of them was .023. No popping going down the road when I drove it.

    I'm puzzled, because he's not a shade tree mechanic by any means - but has royally messed up the engine brakes somehow. To his credit he hasn't charged me a dime with this issue -

    Is anybody here very familiar with PACBRAKE's - I'd REAAAAAALY appreciate some input, perhaps a call to my mechanic.

    Forgive me for not having the specific housing numbers , I had them somewhere when I was looking for plungers.

    6067GK60 is the engine model. VIN SD370536. 1995 379 Pete.
     
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  4. F4T6UY

    F4T6UY Medium Load Member

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    I’m just tagging in here hoping to learn something. My S60 brakes are weak and I have Jacobs. They barely slow me when I’m empty. My buddy with a S60, his brakes will whoa him up with 45k in the box on a 7% grade (says he.)

    Anyways, hope I didn’t hijack, just looking for some engine brake knowledge.
     
  5. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    All good - before they were messed with - I could control 75K+ down 5% grades by selecting the right gear and toggling between stages.

    I know they can do better.

    @pushbroom @OLDSKOOLERnWV @Goodysnap too.
     
  6. Ridgeline

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    I have a really dumb question, did you or the mechanic call Pacbrake and asked them for a rebuild kit?

    I had my mechanic order parts for a N14 and a DD60 DDECII from them a couple months ago.
     
  7. blairandgretchen

    blairandgretchen Road Train Member

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    I’ll ask.

    Edit - asked and waiting.
     
  8. Ridgeline

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    Asked who?

    The mechanic?

    Is this a factory install, if so it will be in the parts list for the engine and you can get the print out of the part numbers from Detroit, go to Pacbrake and cross it to their parts.
     
  9. pushbroom

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    Looks like it came with P63 brakes on it.
    CEL is a wiring issue with the jakes, loose terminal on the jakes, failed solenoid or wiring to jakes. Deal with the CEL first.
    Cant help on the adjustment issues but Service, Support & Troubleshooting | Pacbrake has lots of good tech articles/ breakdowns.
    There is a service bulletin for not getting the correct lash on a reman cylinder head, no idea if that is what you have going on.
     
  10. Rideandrepair

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    All I can add is the proper jacobs brake for gk60 is a 765, setting is 0.026. Per Detroit manual
     
  11. little cat 500

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    I threw thew pacbrake in the can and put jakes on
     
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