E log vs paper

Actually, the analogy is apt. Walmart in some communities is also the grocery store. So comparing a small grocery store and Walmart that sells groceries to a owner/op and mega does work. Saying that an o/o can do whatever he wants to make it work is like a small grocery store not obeying health regulations to eke out more profit, whereas Walmart grocery has to follow the rules.

Though I don't buy any groceries from Walmart, especially fresh products.

 

Mattbnr, to use your own words: "You have a strange way of thinking." You seem to think these regs have the same kind of import as the 10 Commandments. They don't. As an example, there are exceptions granted to entire classes of drivers like those hazmat drivers hauling liquid unstable loads in winter in adverse conditions like ice, snow, wind, fog, etc, that are completely exempt from the HOS rules. They're also exempt while running empty in those same conditions, which is probably even less safe. They can run all of the miles or hours they want w/o penalty of any kind. Is this safe? Apparently the DOT thinks it is, although I've long called for an analysis of their safety records summer vs winter or vs that of other classes of drivers, such as owner operators to prove it. My point is that if these fuel haulers are all "safe" while operating in adverse conditions with unstable hazmat with no regard for the HOS regs, are the regs really necessary for safety or are they there "just because?" The rules as currently written are too rigid. They give no allowance for common sense or situational awareness.

 

And to go on with your walmart and grocery store analogy Walmart with its higher buying discounts(equipment costs and maintance) less taxes, can profit less per item(load rates) without taking a hit wins out small grocery stores end up haveing to close doors try making when they have the political swing to make all small stores buy the lastest and greats high end scanners (elogs) to bring in even higher profits which allows for more work force to cover hrs of the day (driver's and HOS).
O/Ops are at a disadvantage already but they have failed to shove them out so hence the lobbying of the latest and greatest even though it does not make the roads any safer.

 

You missed the point. I drive fatigued and screw up, I'm probably out of business. Mega fleet is not. Just an example, how many days in prison has the CEO of England spent due to a fatality that one of his trucks had due to negligence? How long was the same company out of business? (Not picking on England they just came to mind).

Don't take it wrong, I don't run like a mad man and will say no if I'm tired or bad weather or whatever unlike many mega fleet drivers. There is ZERO benefit to my operation by having e-logs, it's just going to add costs.

 

Dont forget speeding through contruction zones and parking lots.

I have had mega carrier drivers hassle me for going "so f÷€¥,+÷ slow" while I'm doing 55 in a 50 in the construction on the Ohio turnpike.

Im so glad those electronic logs are making these trainees run safe and legal

 

That's right! Only eloggers speed through construction zones and parking lots.

 

and only paper loggers find ways to falsify and run like outlaws

 

depends if you are a free man or one of a sheeple who "thinks" they are free

 

Paper all day.

 

What's an elog? I didn't read this whole thread. Are the poor schmucks on elogs trying to justify everyone being on them?