California Says: Driver-Facing Camera Not A Privacy Violation

    The California Attorney General has stated that the use of driver-facing in cab cameras does not violate any state codes, and may be used to take disciplinary action against drivers. There are a few factors stipulating when and how the video may be used, but the decision makes it clear that – in California at least – a driver-facing camera is not considered an invasion of privacy.

    According to the opinion published by the Attorney General, recordings of the driver may only be used by the employer. If it is used by the employer for training or disciplinary purposes, the recording must be made available to the driver and/or the driver’s legal representative. In addition, only 30 seconds before and after an incident may be recorded and kept on file. There is no specific wording for what may or may not be considered an “incident” but they include such things as sudden breaking, swerving, or a collision.


    Driver-facing cameras have been a hot-button topic since being introduced, but has been debated more fiercely since large carriers have been experimenting with pilot programs that even go as far as scanning a driver’s facial features to look for signs of fatigue.

    Contrary to common belief, a driver-facing camera does not record and store hours of footage at a time. Generally they record in continuous loops and only store data when there is an incident. When the incident occurs, the camera saves the data from a set period of time before and for a set period of time after.  The video is then sent to a system operator who saves and files away the recording for later viewing. Depending on the service being used, the operator may then review and/or tag the file to be passed on to the carrier for disciplinary or training purposes.

    Concerns have been voiced in the past by drivers who do not want a camera that they have no control over monitoring them and recording them when they are on the job. Many trucking companies feel they have a right to observe and record employees in company-owned work spaces, but some drivers see this as an invasion of privacy – especially considering that the company-owned work space is also where they sleep, eat, and spend free time.

     

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    Chris February 28, 2014 at 6:41 am

    So much for freedom of the open road. I got into trucking, 12 years ago, for the lack of a supervisor standing over your shoulder. Something about good intentions and the road to hell.

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    John S February 28, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    I’m with you Chris. When I started the relationship with a driver and company was mutual. They respected me and I them. Yea, the job still sucked, but I at least had less hassles from regulations and my bosses. Now it seems you are a risk no matter if they have reasons or not. My question is, why hire someone you don’t trust? Are these companies that desperate that they hire people they cannot trust? If you are, then you have problems a camera won’t help.

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    Dave March 6, 2014 at 3:20 am

    It really isn’t a trust issue it is a control issue and the people in the federal moron committee of stupid a. And is all it is I have my own personal dash cam that I use I made a statement on there site one time and they told me that I was mean the statement I made was more of a question I said how was the family going to feel if I am involved in a accident and when it goes to court and they have to watch their family member die after they did something stupid in front of a truck and caused a accident because I have the rite to a proper defense and the video is the defense

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Contrary to popular belief Chris, you gave up one supervisor or boss as it were for hundreds of bosses. Every body on the road that sees you driving the truck, the people at the dock at shippers and receivers. The people , waitress and fuel clerks at the fuel desk are now your boss.
    These people have the power to get you fired. They have the power to call your company and complain . It doesn’t matter if what they are complaining about is true or false.

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    izif March 8, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Not me Gordon I own my truck. About to get my authority. Working for a trucking company is a no win situtation. Low money, they will kick you out of the truck on a moments notice and leave you anywhere in the country, now a camera.
    Never will i ever work for a company again.

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    Paul February 28, 2014 at 7:21 am

    Do not drive for that company. Plain and simple. They are short on drivers already. Drive for a company that respects your privacy and you as a human being. You are not a roadside show for these idiots sitting in their little cubicles. It’s not about who owns what. If so you mortgage your house,condo so does that give the bank the right to photo you in your home since the bank owns 90% of your home? Infringement on ones privacy 100%. They start loosing drivers see how fast they take those cameras out of the trucks. It will backfire and these companies will go out of business. It builds a NO trust relations. Company trust them when dispatched with rig,load. So what’s the problem? Spend money on drivers NOT cameras!

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    jim March 5, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    Well said sir , drivers will never get respect if you don’t demand it from your own employer first. You are the main asset to these companies and they’re gonna abuse your rites this way no way park that truck and move on.

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    izif March 8, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    Yes
    This is a CLEAR infringment on privacy it is unarguable. Another shining example that a lawyer can sell snow to eskimos. How on earth could this be interpreted as anything other than invasive. They already have the power to monitor brakes, speed and goodness knows what else.
    Had a friend get ‘fired’ by CR England for too many hard braking events. He was a leasee!!
    Big Brother is watching you.

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    Scott Sr. February 28, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Myself I can understand the reasons for this justification because we all should remember the idiot texting while driving then running over a cop car. If theyre were no idiots like that around then they wouldnt have the excuse. Do I hate the idea, yes but in all cases the only way I wiuld accept it in my cab is if it it only operates while the parking brakes are pushed in and I am rolling. Although it still shouldnt be allowed for sleepers just day cabs.

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    Jesse February 28, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Why jusy daycabs I guess sleeper drivers are safer? I think the driver who ran over a cop was in a sleeper.

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    Pete February 28, 2014 at 8:00 am

    This is what you should expect if you drive for a big company. Don’t like their rules? Buy a truck and start your own company where you make the rules (the ones the government and your insurance allows you to make anyway). Or cover the camera and tell them to shove it until they fire you.

    I wish Americans weren’t such whiny, submissive prigs. Maybe we wouldn’t have employers and a government that felt they could walk all over us.

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    Jim February 28, 2014 at 8:04 am

    I don’t trust the company’s with them. Bet you could lay a rag over one.”

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    jack February 28, 2014 at 8:18 am

    For the little money there pay there lucky to find someone to spend weeks at a time in a dam truck , Now want to watch them stare down a road hour after hour they are criminals

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    dave February 28, 2014 at 8:30 am

    ….so glad im buying my own truck

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    Jeff February 28, 2014 at 9:18 am

    As long as it does not opperate while parked or resting, with so many bad ass drivers out there i see no problem. those crying are only the ones whom are worried they might get caught doing something dum. Hey trucking is on ly getting worse with the bull shit going on (like wrecks because of texting???? etc.) not paying attention. its only a matter of time till insurance companies give companies a break on their costs if they install them, so get ready it will only be another part of the truck to worry about. retire , or find another job!!!! the kids i see today driving should not be driving a truck. i retired early, could i ? No. did i want too? NO! but i had enough. my life is worth more then what i was making out there. (like if you dont take it >> some mexican will cheapper!!) end of story. its not a matter of being a good professional driver today, its how cheap.

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    John McNeilly February 28, 2014 at 9:25 am

    I work for a carrier that is implementing cameras into our fleet. In our very first use, a driver that was involved in a domestic altercation and was unable to work. When pressed about why he had busted ribs, he blamed his co-driver, saying that the co-driver had left the roadway and was driving in the grass, throwing him out of the bunk. He forgot there was a camera in the truck. We pulled the SD card and reviewd all 55 g-force triggering events. All 55 episodes were very minor cases of bumping a concrete bridge apron, due to the sensitivity having been set too low. There was no incident where the truck ever left the roadway. The driver was lying, and almost got his co-driver in serious trouble. In this case, the camera vindicated the co-driver, and the driver with the busted ribs lost his job for making a false report.

    The second use was last December, when our driver said he was going under a light and as it started to change to yellow, a pickup truck right-turned on red into our path. review of the pre-impact recording showed the light change to yellow then to red, then four full seconds later we are running the light and broadsiding the other vehicle. Our driver’s version of the accident and his actions were at odds with the truth as recorded. Knowing that we were at fault has saved us tens of thousands of dollars because we settled rather than fought a losing battle in which we angered the party that was in the right all along. It also documented a pattern for the driver, who less than ten days later was ticked for running a red light. He was then terminated.

    In May 2013 we had a driver swerve in South Dakota to miss some deer. We missed every one of them, only to overturn in a ditch, seriously injuring the co-driver and causing over $232,000 of damage. There was no camera in the truck. There was no proof of deer either. Every insurance representative told us that he fell asleep and ran off the road. Maybe this 12 year veteran did, maybe he didn’t. How can we possibly know? Yet was have a quarter of a million dollars spent on an accident and only the word of the driver. So, absent proof, the insurance carrier has since substantially raised our insurance premiums by over $50,000, which is now less money to go in the pockets of our drivers. I wish we had had a camera in the truck, and the driver has told us that several times, because he doesn’t like the cloud of suspicion he’s been put under.

    So there is an entirely different side to the camera question, based on our recent experiences. When I know that some of our drivers are purchasing and installing their own camera because we haven’t gotten to their truck, then I know those drivers see them as a means of protecting their word and credibility, and not an issue of privacy.

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    Ray February 28, 2014 at 10:20 am

    An outward facing camera would have been enough to determine the truth about the deer incident.

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    Tim February 28, 2014 at 10:50 am

    It was the drivers fault either way, you do not swerve for animals.

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Are you sure you know what your talking about? Why would you make such an asinine statement?

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    Rexford L February 28, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    when you swerve to avoid animals in the road, I’d say a majority of the time your going to wreck the vehicle your in, and cause a lot more damage than if you’d have just hit the stupid things in the first place.

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    Mike V March 1, 2014 at 12:41 am

    If the option is hit an animal or hit the ditch, I’d probably aim for the critter.

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    Rob March 1, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s talking about. It’s the way I was trained 25 years ago. Think about it a minute and maybe you’ll get it. I don’t feel like explaining it to you.

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    haller February 28, 2014 at 11:12 am

    Anyone in the ins. business will always win in a conversation. They will be wrong and make up stories to prove their point , but they will always be right!!

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    Jesse February 28, 2014 at 11:51 am

    How did a camera facing a driver also film the redlight. Yeah right.

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    Bruce B February 28, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    not one of those three scenarios had ANY relevance to a rear-facing camera in the cab. You saw from the windshield #1 never ran off the road, #2 ran the red light, and #3 didn’t have a camera, but a forward-facing one would have shown if the driver drifted off the roadway or veered to avoid deer. Just say NO to rear-facing cameras.

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    I agree 100 %.
    However!
    I see a couple of problems to a rear facing camera. It would allow some clown in the office to see trucker Joe look left to the mirror then back and then the dash then the right mirror. He would see this happening about every 15 seconds and think Trucker Joe is distracted. We know he is keeping an eye on his surroundings like he should. However Mr or Miss clown in the office that in reality is an unsafe driver and lack the basic driving skills will call him in and fire him for being distracted.They think we need to look straight ahead like they do.

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    haller February 28, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    rear facing cameras in every new 4wheeler, thats,, rear facing cameras in every new 4wheeler. Problem solved

    IZ February 28, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    Sounds like Swift , Prime, CRST, Werner, C R England, Knight, Stevens, or maybe J B Hunt or some other big carrier that screws drivers right & left. Pay’em a good wage for EVERYTHING they do,train’em to drive a truck instead of operating driver mills to get our hard earned tax dollars and maybe you wont have to watch’em at all times!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Wayne March 7, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Amen IZ

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    cope March 1, 2014 at 1:12 am

    Every single incident you described could have been easily recorded and seen with an outward facing camera. An inward facing camera would not have shown you a single solitary detail of information for any of those cases. It woukd have shown you the driver and the cab.

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    James C February 28, 2014 at 10:01 am

    I worked with such a camera when I was driving city bus. I was always aware of its presence, but it never bothered me once. But then, I have a perfect safety record, never having an at-fault incident while behind the wheel.

    The only people who will not want these cameras, are those who regularly indulge in unsafe driving practices:

    - Use of handheld cell phones while driving
    - Running red lights
    - Speeding
    - Tailgating
    - Unsafe Lane changes
    - and speeding

    If drivers don’t do these things. If they instead maintain constant vigilance behind the wheel and make driving safely a daily practice, they’ll not have a problem with cameras. In fact, they’ll welcome the cameras. If there is an incident, and they aren’t at fault, the camera will vindicate them.

    I say make in-cab cameras a law. They’ll cut down on accidents. They’ll catch these ‘Super Truckers’ in the act and weed them out. They’ll make us safe drivers feel safer out here on the road.

    I can’t count the number of times I’ve had some ‘Super Trucker’ tailgate me, or watched them tailgate four-wheelers. I have called the state police on a lot these people, taking down their license plates and everything. I am sick to death of driving with all of these other drivers who think it’s okay to be unsafe. Get the cameras and let them help us get these idiots off of the road.

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    Ray February 28, 2014 at 10:23 am

    An outward facing camera along with the “black box” to record the truck info is enough. Lets not have inward facing cameras.

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    ez February 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    and i suppose you think the police should be able to search your house when ever they want and the only people who disaggree are the ones hiding something

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    Bruce B February 28, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    James, get off your high horse. I don’t do any of those things and I do not want a rear-facing camera in any truck I drive. You can have your EOBs and your forward facing cameras, but keep a camera out of my face. Your assertion that making these cameras the law will deter bad driving has already been disproved with drivers who block the camera. Interesting that you say you see super truckers doing these things and that you “called the state police” and you “took down the numbers”. Yeah, you pulled over to do that did you? Right.

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    James, Not all of these tailgaters know they are tailgating. Many think 50 feet off the back of a vehicle is not tailgating at 65 or 70 mph. They think they are better drivers than they really are. Until they are shown that they don’t use a turn signal correctly, that they tailgate, that they cannot judge a traffic light. . Stale or fresh. That they don’t check the mirror often en0ugh.
    Far too many of these problem drivers don’t know that they are. The question is, how do you teach them? I’m not talking about punishing them before they are taught. The smith System. It works.
    Then again society is a good part of the problem as this generation of drivers getting behind the wheel was not taught to take responsibly for their actions.

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    haller February 28, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    James are you saying, “make in-cab cameras a law” on all vehicles. Or do you want more big business and government control on drivers of commercial vehicles? Motorcycles, bicycles…..etc.

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    haller February 28, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    How is an in-cab rear facing camera going to keep super trucker of your tailgate. Personally I would LOVE to see State Troopers driving a big truck and issuing tickets by camera, stopping the crazy truckers and suspending CDL’s..

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    Wayne March 7, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    U must b the hand that gets dispatched out west in a 60mph ride in a 75mph zone,go back to driveing a city bus cause i belive u were happy there

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    Cary Davis May 8, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Finally a person who gets it! Kuddos James C!

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    Geno February 28, 2014 at 10:11 am

    If I worked for a company that put any kind of cam facing me i would quite on the spot.

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    IZ February 28, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    AMEN!!! So what happened trust & personal responsibility ?????

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    pac nw trucker February 28, 2014 at 10:19 am

    John M. I agree a FRONT-FACING camera would’ve been helpful in the cases you describe, but a camera on the driver alone would not have told you what you wanted to know. My privacy trumps the rights of a nosy employer.

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    Blue007 February 28, 2014 at 10:21 am

    You guys who are for cameras are just completely insane and I question if you are a driver at all? What is this industry becoming? Why not put a robot behind a wheel, where is the freedom ? This job is stressful enough! People, fellow drivers, please leave this companies the same day they even think about installing one of this cameras in your truck! There is a shortage of drivers as it is you have more power then you think! Save, buy your self truck and drive independently ! Hell with these companies and hell with California !

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    hardwurkindaddy February 28, 2014 at 10:26 am

    My first act with an in cab cameras camera would be to close the front curtains and spend some time with the camera running while completely naked. After that it’s not likely anyone would ever look at my footage again for fear of trauma! :-)

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    Ray February 28, 2014 at 10:39 am

    LOL! Too funny!

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    haller February 28, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    You Tube is going to love you..

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    Ray February 28, 2014 at 10:38 am

    If the day comes when I cannot find a trucking job that doesn’t do this I’ll look for something else to do. At my company they are moving to install these cameras on all their trucks to my dismay. I almost quit a few weeks ago when I got my new truck. Happily, they removed it. To my dismay many of our drivers tolerate it. Some even say they want it. It’s strange how on the forums about 90% say they are against it. In reality about 90% accept it.

    Drivers, an outward facing dash camera with no microphone is enough! Having an inward facing camera with a microphone studying every facial expression for fatigue is an invasion of privacy. We don’t need somebody listening to our private conversations on the phone, or watching us undress and stuff. You guys believe that crap about it only recording 30 seconds before and after an accident? Guess what? You are definitely being lied to. Those parameters can be overridden at any time.

    This industry has gone from very much needing regulating to very much being over regulated. There needs to be a balance. We’ve gone from one extreme end of the spectrum to the other extreme end of the spectrum. It’s up to the drivers to stand against this. The last time that happened was 60 years ago. That’s a difference between Americans and many European countries. Americans just take it. European citizens revolt. We need to take a greater stand.

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    IZ February 28, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    RAY I couldn’t have said it any better myself!

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    WING March 1, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Ray, are you sure the camera was removed. Possibly a different location with a pinhole cam?
    Wouldn’t trust them to do otherwise. It’s a big insurance break for them to have one in the cab.

    As reported by land line, truckers report, over drive and others such as Fleet Owner, the NTSB has , a couple years ago, contracted with a Virginia University that is know for it’s transportation studies, to place 500 ‘all position cams’ in 500 tractors. ‘All Position’ means the sleeper too.

    What say Ye?

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    Ray March 4, 2014 at 11:06 pm

    I got a call from safety today asking why my camera is broke LOL! When I told him the shop removed it for me he seemed surprised. I can see the writing on the wall, but I doubt they have installed a hidden camera.

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    Cary Davis May 8, 2014 at 10:12 am

    Since this is a study, I don’t see a problem with it. What one has to remember is that there is no 4th Amendment violation if you sign with a company and are made aware of the fact that they are running cameras. If you, after having been told this information, choose to go ahead and work for the company, then there is no privacy violation. You always have the ability to go elsewhere and work.

    At the same time, if you are currently an employee at a company that chooses to install cameras to safeguard the operation of “THEIR” equipment, you also have the ability at that time to CHOOSE if you wish to continue employment under those conditions or move to another company.

    People confuse the 4th Amendment at times with things they describe as a personal rights violation rather than a companys decision to protect its risk in the event of an accident.

    I for one would love to have a video showing me doing my job properly in the event that someone caused a wreck and tried to blaim me for it!

    “MY TWO CENTS”

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    James February 28, 2014 at 10:45 am

    What companies have driver facing cameras? Please post their names. My company does not and has stated during recent annual training that they see no need to install them (the question was asked in a internal email q&a session).

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    Brian February 28, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Melton does. I was talking to one of their drivers the other day. He also said that they fire you right away if you cover it up, even after going in the sleeper. They watch their drivers 24/7, naked or not.

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    IZ February 28, 2014 at 6:26 pm

    Conway does.

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    Curly March 2, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    Conway freight or truckload? I drive the truckload side and my truck is camera free as far as i know. It may be on the new trucks. Haven’t heard anyone talking about them at the terminals, i’ll have to ask next time I’m in Joplin.

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    corey jackson February 28, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Glad I work for a small 20 truck company. We still do loose leaf logs, and only hear from the bosses and dispatch whenever necessary. Drivers, please don’t be so guillable to think a camera facing you is for your best interest. It’s for the companies disposal to try to pin any little mishap on you and relieve them of any liability. It’s bad enough a lot of you big company drivers are working for pennies on the dollar as it is, but now they want to watch your every move? Grow some balls, and tell these bureacrats to kiss it.

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    cope March 1, 2014 at 1:21 am

    ^ nail -> head

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    Tommy February 28, 2014 at 11:35 am

    I agree, trucking’s not what it used to be, but some things are better. The truck stops are a little classier, and the technology is better, aerodynamics and such. Traditionally we’ve given a lot of leeway to businesses to monitor and protect their investments, but it’s gotten a little nerdy with these in-your-face cameras.

    A cab without cameras would indeed be a selling point for small companies looking to hire experienced drivers, though. Wouldn’t that be something?

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    John S February 28, 2014 at 12:05 pm

    It would be hard to make this apply to a driver who owned his truck. After all a company truck is the property of the company. So I can see a company being able to put camera’s in their own trucks. I am not saying its correct, but it could as easily help a driver prove fault in a accident as it could prove guilt. Workplace monitoring is nothing new, so its not targeting truckers or anything like that. Maybe we simply are facing what everyone is. A total disregard for privacy. My advice is to show your opinion of those privacy reduction when you vote. People set this policies and people can vote to make them go away. Fighting them in court is time and money consuming. Stop dealing with issues one at a time and set into motion a more fundamental change reversing these privacy reductions.

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    Scott Brogan February 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    My problem with this idea is, what keeps companies from using this information to hold back pay raises. Look almost every driver out there doesn’t pay attention 10 or 20ty percent of the time as much as they should be. How many deer have I planted right under my truck late at night, a bunch. But the reality is that could have been some motorcycle laying on the ground. Most of us or just lucky, and skill might keep you out of half the problems out there at best! I’ve been driving truck for twenty year without one accident, and that’s my take!

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    Joannie February 28, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    As a female truck driver I would not work for any company that wanted to record me. Being out over the road for months at a.time. it’s bad enough. Now they want to watch what we do all the time. I dont see how that is not a invasion of privacy. This country is turning into a dictatorship. You already have the government caught spying on us using the web. NOW THEY ARE LETTING EMPLOYERS SPY ON US IN ARE DAILY LIVING OUT HERE.WERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE.

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    haller March 1, 2014 at 12:01 am

    Did you say, “out over the road for months at a time”??

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    Tim February 28, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    What large company in its right mind would ever install these things in all its trucks? Talk about a great way to instantly make yourself the least desirable company on the planet to drive for!

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    John February 28, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    I work for a medium size carrier who is “trying ” them out. What a disaster….drivers, good drivers are fleeing by flocks. Most of us became drivers to be free, we are not conformists and this is yet a continued attempt to control the largest labor force in our nation. The camera is not tied to your q-comm or log book so any movement it senses it will come on. Many of my fellow drivers say it has viewed them for hours, things like railroad tracks, rough roads and hey easy bumping that dock or it may go off. What about off duty or sleeper berth time? It has no filter it is triggered by abrupt motion, so get up in the middle of the night and hello you are on candid camera. This practice must cease immediately, the insurance companies are starting to dictate policy in our industry, speed governors, cameras, CSA and so on….what about our health we are bombarded by our companies to be healthier and now the government is on our ass too. How about lightening up a bit so we can sit down and have a healthy meal, not a bag of Doritos and a coke on the go while the man watches us eat and so on. But I digress, stay safe brothers and sisters and remember we are on the same side the only thing that separates us is a gallon of paint.

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    Jiri February 28, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Don’t want to deal with this idiotic idea?
    Quit whining and become owner operator.
    Problem solved.
    I became one with 8,000 dollar truck that I am making 80,000 annual net revenue.
    You are not going to make that in 2 year someone watching you picking your nose 24/7.
    The only reason they do it is because you let them.
    Have nice day company driver loosers.

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    Not that easy . some O/O c/o companies are looking into that camera crap. It boils down to insurance.
    When you lease to a company they actually control your truck. Read the small print usually on page 12.
    You drive it you pay for the repairs and fuel. If they tell you that it is going to happen you either do it or leave. Not a lot of difference between leasing to a carrier and being company driver to them. It just cost you more.
    I for one will NOT have a rear facing camera nor a microphone in my truck. I do run 2 dash cams just for proof if anything happens. I get a wider view with two.

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    haller March 1, 2014 at 12:06 am

    You don’t sound like a truck driver to me.. You made 80 grand with a $8000 junker,, I doubt it!

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    haller March 1, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    If you become an O.O. the freight brokers will screw you out of business in 6 months or when you sell your house and all that money is gone. Hear me now!! freight brokers make more money on a run then you do, and you do the run. Brokers have NO heart, NONE!! They know more about the trucking business than you do at this point in time. Get this,, things like “we pay in 30 days”, what kind of days, calendar days or business days? If it’s business days then they actually pay in 6 weeks plus office time to cut the check plus the US mail, plus a broker fee, plus a lumper fee, plus freight brokers DON’T pay fuel surcharge, and as we all know freight brokers have a difficult time telling the truth….. Ask a few customers you deliver to now, if you get a truck and trailer can you haul some freight for them. Remember business is all about a product, service and money, if a customer likes you he’ll do business with you..

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    D. Driver February 28, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    I concur that driver facing cameras are not effective. Any guy that has a woman in his life will generally have most, if not all of his intentions misread off his face by her. So what makes you think some troll viewing the file will be able to do the same? Since I have to drive a meat wagon for the time being I don’t need the cameras when there can be up to 60 pairs of eyes seeing everything I do and also all the stupid things the two and four wheelers do. It’s so bad that I recommend the company install cameras to the front and to the rear of the vehicle. To date they haven’t. We also have bad driver’s also.They are constantly banging up the vehicles, so I bought one and use it when I work. Was ambushed one day by the head dispatch and terminal manager one day. Wanted to know if I hit the fence post because it was knocked down and my vehicle had “rub” marks. I said no, still wrote me up and sent to district off for termination review. At my hearing, witch took five minutes due to me showing the video that cleared me. Asked why I didn’t show the video before. Because mt attorney said not to. This is with the fact that I have had no claim my entire carrier of over 35 years. Got a big apology, sorry bonus and the terminal manager was fired. It’s so bad out there now that I won’t drive without may camera on, even in my own car. Don’t get me started on all the knuckle draggers that wear a badge and gun. Camera saved me more than once.

    In short, NO TO IN WARD DRIVER CAMERAS…

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    Russell February 28, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I dont want a camera in the truck i drive but if the man who owns it wants one in there there isnt anything i can do about it. All i could do is quit. But since i dont have anything to hide i will just deal with it. I for one have way more important things to worry about than my boss watching me drive.

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    Gordon A February 28, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    Far too many drivers really don’t understand the problem. Camera ??? Big deal I can live with it.
    That is the problem today. No guts to stand up. Here is how it could go.
    That driver facing camera will record you for many hours. It will record your body language, your facial expressions.How you hold the wheel. how and what you say on the CB. Some clown in the office will see that and figure you are not paying attention and are distracted. He will see you checking your mirror often. He or she doesn’t and thinks your distracted. No raise in pay or worst case you get fired for being distracted. That clown that does this more than likely has no training to do it. They themselves are not safe drivers and don’t drive a truck.
    You will be recorded sneezing. If you sneeze more than two or three times in succession you will be considered distracted and unsafe and it WILL be logged and saved for future viewing. If there is another incident it will be part of your undoing.. Past history in their minds can get you fired and you did nothing wrong. You set a president whether you know it or not. It is for nothing but absolute control.
    I am not a sit down, shut up and do as your told kind of person.

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    IZ February 28, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    I would NOT have a rear facing camera in the truck I drive!!! Simple solution install one and I move on.

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    Brett February 28, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    What companies are doing this? I guess it wouldnt matter because the yes man/woman crowd in the trucking business will fall for anything because they stand for nothing. 29 years for me on the road and hung up the keys last May and dont miss it a bit.

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    Ray March 4, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    Congratulations.

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    Charles February 28, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    I worked for a company in Richmond Va. that was putting those cameras in trucks of drivers that had high incident rates.One driver was told that he was recorded on a hands free cell device for 8 hrs out 10 hrs driving,If he was recorded talking on a hands free device again while on duty driving he would be terminated.

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    gary d February 28, 2014 at 3:15 pm

    Just refuse to drive for those companies and it will go away.you have the option to leave.I would take it.

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    franklin jenkins February 28, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Lets look at the truth in this matter….and must i add i have 25 plus yrs in the industry.
    .here is the bottom line…this is being implemented because of ONE WORLD ORDER….THATS IT AND THATS ALL…you will and i say with emphasis YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE RIGHT FOR JACK to say, or privacy in your life…..in all areas of your life….get ready because its coming……yours truly: bonafide truck driver.

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    orca1993 February 28, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    I guess that I should take the spycam out of the terminal manager’s office. Found out that the load they paid me 6000 for actually paid 14,000. Am I wrong to turn it around?

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    Old guy February 28, 2014 at 6:36 pm

    I hope they like seeing me wearing my Victoria secret thong:). After seeing that I’ll bet they remove the camera.

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    fordconvert February 28, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    out-facing drive cams are ok, but in-facing cams are not. the company i am with uses them and it feels like i am a prisoner in the truck, which keeps me in a constant state of anxiety while driving. ALSO, contrary to the article, i know for a fact that my boss can access “footage” from the drive cam from 2 days ago whether there was an “incident” or not. today, we had to access footage from wednesday morning to prove to a customer that i indeed serviced their store after they had claimed that i had not. there had been no incidents to activate the red light on the drive cam, yet we were able to access it and prove my case.
    it’s a sad state that our country is in when we have to sacrifice peace of mind and privacy to fight off the liars and greedy wolves in order to prove that the majority of us are actually doing our jobs properly.

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    Samuel Barradas February 28, 2014 at 7:53 pm

    I think you’re talking about outward-facing cameras being the ones that are always recording, that’s pretty common. In the article, I said that DRIVER-facing cameras only store recordings when an incident occurs.

    If you have a driver-facing camera that’s recording you 24/7, I’d be interested to know what company is providing that service, as it’s likely violating your rights. The recent ruling in California only allows 30 seconds before and after an incident to be recorded.

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    fordconvert March 1, 2014 at 8:08 am

    i cannot say for certain that the driver-facing one is accessible for extended lengths of time, but our front, rear, and driver-facing cams are all connected to the same head unit that is mounted on the upper windshield, so i would assume that all three positions can be accessed for the same time periods. the on-dash monitor also displays all three points simultaneously.

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    Samuel Barradas March 3, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Sounds like that driver-facing camera might be violating your rights. Just something to remember in case someone ever threatens to use the recordings against you.

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    haller March 1, 2014 at 12:14 am

    The outward camera I bought has a 720 minute loop with a 16 gb SanDisk, thats 12 hours..

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    WING March 1, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    so what’s the camera doing when the led is blinking red and green in the middle of the night?

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    Jason February 28, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    The solution is simple. STRIKE. If drivers don’t take a stand, nothing will change. They know that drivers won’t strike, and they will do as they please. So the only thing you can do is live with it. I’ve been on the road 20 years. It gets worse every year.

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    Jay February 28, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    Mount two cameras on dashboard of a truck cab; First one driver-facing and the second just the opposite direction, traffic-facing. I’m pretty sure it will not violate California state code.

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    I R Gohen February 28, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Try that crap with me and the camera will be focused on an empty seat.

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    Ray March 4, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    I second that.

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    some one March 1, 2014 at 1:32 am

    it sounds like major companies are nit picking for a reason to fire drivers. or rather to refuse raises. any ways, if they don’t trust the people they are hiring. then why bother hiring them. plus california states the footage can be used for training. when did truck drivers become free actors? I bet some time in the future. trucking companies will try to use the footage for a tv show. that’s where I see it being a problem…

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    Travis March 1, 2014 at 4:29 am

    The best way to combat these things is to not work for a company that uses them. If the company I work for told me they’re gonna start using ANY camera inside the truck I’ll turn in everything and find a new company to work for.

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    T Owens March 1, 2014 at 8:47 am

    If it is instilled upon drivers to be videoed while driving, etc. than I would expect those supervisors, dispatchers, compny safety officers and anyone else involved must have one in there face also. Lets monitor their work. See how often they screw off. Heck have the politicians who vote on this issue be videoed too. See how long that lasts! I am for videoing forwards even side and behind truck. To watch you is a violation of privacy, no matter what california says! Everywhere u go you are videoed, monitored and scrutinized!! At least let the driver keep his dignity and privacy!

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    T Owens March 1, 2014 at 9:02 am

    The driver facing camera reminds me of the news programs where they use the ‘Nanny Cam’ to watch and wait for the Nanny to do something that is not tolerated by society. Not just injuring a child but to do things that most parents/people deem illegal immoral or such . A company uses surveillance to protect themselves and their business. You really think its there for your protection? I have a great safety record,21yrs no tickets and lifelong no at fault accidents. However I feel that in any situation, it lands with the attorneys involved to always argue with any shred of reasonable doubt (no matter how bogus it really may sound or be) to protect and exclude their clients from liability. You as a driver with a camera in your face are gonna be the scapegoat!

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    Steve N March 1, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Are there any rights that CA isn’t trying to take away from people? That state needs to float off into the Pacific and never be heard from again.

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    David March 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    God I am glad I am making the move to be an owner operator in a few years. I am preparing for it atm instead of jumping into it. I would quit on the spot if they want to put inward facing cameras on my truck. I want to start my own company that takes care of its drivers and show these large carriers that a buisiness that rewards and takes care of it’s employees would be 10x more profitable than this micromanaged crap they pull. Will running my own buisiess be easy no, however I am up for a challenge.

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    Ray March 4, 2014 at 11:21 pm

    PM me when you get started.

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    WING March 1, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    so what is the camera doing on a
    DriveCam with forward/rear facing lenses when the led is blinking green/red at night or day?

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    Ahmad March 1, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    Will they have camras in stores monitarring employees so they say why not drivers who could kill an entire family or a bus load of them. I think NSA is the reason for this.

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    Wayne March 2, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    I’ve been in this business 20 years from when Qualcomm first got started. I’m ready to retire at the end of this year. Travel? Buy a Tesla and travel the country for free. Seriously. An EOBR/ELD is an invasion of privacy. Any kind of camera is an invasion of privacy. Screw trucking and screw all the low lifes that continue to come into trucking without a clue or a backbone.

    This industry is in the toilet. Everyone SHOULD quit their trucking jobs today! Its legal to quit. Its not a strike if you quit. You can make more money in construction. You can make a lot more money in healthcare. You can make even more money in the energy field.

    If you work for a trucking company and have EOBR’s/ELD’s and cameras facing you, you should be taking home 100K/year after taxes and you should be home at least once a week for a couple of days. If you are not making this kind of money, you are getting screwed. Screw these trucking companies. Go out and buy a truck and get your own authority. If anyone complains about you, it doesn’t matter. You aren’t required to have cameras or an EOBR/ELD. Used trucks are cheap and at least you can do as you please.

    Seriously these trucking companies are on crack if they think that any descent competent person will work for them with all of their BS.

    I’ve read the stories where cameras were to the driver’s benefit, but unless that camera is 100% in the driver’s control, its an invasion and flat out unacceptable.

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    Paul March 2, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    I’m so glad retirement is actually visible and secondly I’m so grateful to the good Lord that none of my kids decided to try trucking. There’s an easy fix for all this crap, it’s spelled S-T-R-I-K-E. Driving rig should not equate to surrendering all your basic constitutional rights and priveleges. Can someone point me to the trucker drinking fountain and can I eat at the counter in this diner?

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    Ray March 4, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    This post really resonates with me.

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    Steve March 3, 2014 at 1:08 pm

    U have know privacy know matter what u drive or who you drive for! I was terminated after 14 yrs with a “family” owned company for posting a few rants on Facebook!! The rants were not, NOT, directed at any one person or group of people, nor was my former employer mentioned. There were a series of rule changes that had been implemented over the last few weeks that had me very frustrated and I was simply blowing off some steam. It seems they would’ve rather have me keep my emotions pent up inside and drive 600+ miles through the recent bad weather we have had in the northeast than to vent my frustrations, “get it off my chest”!!!! Yes I accept responsibility for my actions, but really everyone has no privacy!!!!

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    DB March 3, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    I’m all for forward facing cameras. A fellow driver friend of mine was working for a company that has the driver facing camera and while driving down the road one day he gets a phone call asking him why he is smoking in his truck?? He reminds them that he has paid his deposit to partake of his habit and why would they ask him about this now after a year of employment? They tell him that they saw it on camera. He had no problem with the camera thing as the company explained it to him, but it seems that they may have lied to him since there was no incident that triggered the camera to come on…just someone spying on him. Needless to say, he quit. He’s been a safe driver for over 20 years with no accidents and has safe driving awards from previous companies. He’s also retired military and knows how to follow rules. I, personally, think that if you can’t trust your driver then you need to screen them better and perhaps hire them to work in house so you can observe them prior to turning them loose with your equipment. Driver facing cameras are an invasion of privacy no matter how you cut it. If you disagree, then put one in your bedroom at home and let everyone see what you’re doing at all times or better yet let’s just all live in glass houses. Forward facing cameras and black boxes are enough.

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    Tommy A. March 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm

    Put on your Richard Nixon mask & begin each trip with “I am not a crook!” I recently viewed a You Tube video describing why so many Russian vehicles have dash cams. Insurance. I think being viewed on camera makes all drivers ‘high risk’. We take a hand off the wheel constantly to do things other than shift. Eating, drinking, smoking, adjusting the heat, changing stations or CDs on the stereo, holding the CB mic, open/close windows. As to the privacy, the cams will likely be pointed at the driver seat, and you can close the curtains on the berth. As to getting fired because you “look sleepy” , I seriously doubt it. If you’re rollin’ with your chin on your chest, I seriously recommend it. We are held to a higher standard and are under close scrutiny without cameras. Some companies have “spotters” in cars & pick-ups driving on the truck routes to watch their own trucks & drivers.

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    Ron March 4, 2014 at 8:51 am

    It is simple DON’T drive for them immediately go and apply to another company and tell them why , When they can’t keep drivers they will pull the cameras . And before someone says it is not that easy keep in mind drivers are in demand , I would also let the new company I’m going to work for why I left the old company that will put it in there minds that if they try it you will be leaving them also.

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    Prime driver March 21, 2014 at 5:01 am

    These cameras they are talking about arent just cab facing they also record the road. Im not a fan of this idea but im guessing there installation is inevitable

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