Ever since the Electronic Logging Device (ELD) mandate went into effect, the need for serious Hours of Service (HOS) reform has been thrust into the spotlight. Last week, Department of Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao announced that a proposed rule has been created and sent to the White House for approval.
Truck drivers have been requesting major HOS reform since the rules were last changed in 2014 (and even before). Last year, the FMCSA announced that they were seriously considering action on the HOS rules. Their request for input from the public yielded over 5,200 comments, mostly in support of making the HOS rules more flexible.
Speaking at the Mid-America Trucking Show on March 29th, Chao was tight-lipped about what the NPRM might contain.
“This NPRM was just sent to the Office of Management and Budget,” Chao told the audience. “That means, of course, that I can’t say much while the rule is under consideration. I can’t go into specifics or details about this proposal, but let me note that the department understands the strong interest in increasing flexibility and is giving it serious consideration.”
Last year FMCSA Administrator Ray Martinez promised that HOS reform would happen on “a very aggressive time line,” expecting a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) to be published by March. But March has come and gone and it’s not clear when the notice will be available to the public.
Ripple effects from the partial government shutdown at the beginning of the year may be putting a bit of a delay on the process. Most employees from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) were furloughed during the shutdown, creating a backlog of work.
So even though the White House OMB is the last step before the NPRM becomes public, we may have to wait days, weeks, or even months to find out what changes are proposed.
“Without [truckers], our economy would come to a halt, and quality of life would suffer,” Chao said during her MATS speech. “So, I look forward to continuing to work with you, to address the needs of the industry, to increase safety, and to ensure a bright future for America’s truckers.”
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Thomas f shields says
Get rid of the 30 minutes break and go back to 8 hr break too that would open up parking spaces too.
A Merrill says
I agree. Most of us know when to stop for a break. And a 10 hour break is an inconvenience.
Bev Lewis says
How do you get enough rest on a 8 hour break??
Once I stop driving I have to wind down some. Then for showers that’s another hour. So you think it’s ok to start out on just 6 hours of sleep everyday??
Guess there will always be super trucker around. I need more sleep especially working a 14 hour day.
Kevin O'Neil says
I am a 5-6 hours of sleep per day person even when I’m at home. Been that way ever since I joined the Marine Corp after high school 35 years ago. Not a super trucker, just saying nobody requires the same sleep as the next guy.
Tigger says
Yeah, takes me 2-3 hours of decompression to be able to fall asleep. I need to walk or jog some to avoid health issues from sitting so long, the 3 S’s, Shart shower shave, eat then sleep a solid 8.
Not enough rest is why accidents happen.
Mjb says
So the best way to get their attention is park the trucks for a week… it’s called solidarity boys and girls.
Tuto bene says
I agree with you mjb truckers need to park for a week or so they will come to their knees
Edward Johnson says
You could never get enough drivers to park. To many big companies love it now it’s easier for them to cut miles.
birdman says
You cannot get truckers to agree on the color blue or dark lavender lol.cannot even get truckers to shut down 1 day or worse
never to get done 1 week
Jjags says
It can only happen in other countries, never here and not now. I’ll say it again truckers are the dumbest segment of American society.
Bill says
You have too many drivers living beyond their means for that to happen. I’ll park the truck and take a week off. I can afford to miss a check.
Michael Grossman says
Amen brother
Chris. says
MJB ::;; I stand with you,but sorry to say 98% of our fellow truckers are too stupid to back you. Apart from the sex trade 🙈🙈🙈We are the most exploited work force in America and nobody gives a crap.
LS says
4/12/19
D says
Exactly. But new gen truckers don’t have balls so it won’t happen
Nick says
At least some of the new gen truckers know that after working 11-12hrs your concentration is down and you become a risk on the road for everyone else, I agree however that more flexibility with the hos is needed but don’t extend the total amount of hours because too many drivers don’t know their limits and will cause more accidents or companies will “force” drivers to drive tired and fatigued and to the older generation of truckers… It’s long been proven that your reaction time gets worse as older you get once you’re past 30 and most deadly crashes involve drivers who drive trucks for 10+ years and I bet over half of the people who want the hos changed want just so they can make more money by working even more than they already do. You guys should realize that making $1500/week or more isn’t hard if you factor in that we work 70+ hours per week it’s just below $18/hr if you factor in overtime pay that a normal job would pay.
I say instead of fighting the hos we should fight for better pay and getting paid a salary instead of having our pay rely on things beyond our control
Leonard Kilmer says
Neither did the old gen we tried
One fat trucker says
Word
Rick Gaskill says
There is no solidarity. The Black Smoke slow rolls proved that. They predicted ” hundreds ” of trucks would show up at Indy, IL, and TX. They had a few dozen at most show up.
The protesters are whining because they can’t afford to comply with HOS. They can’t afford to park their trucks.
The fact is the whiners are only a very small percentage of truckers. The majority of truckers have no problem with ELDs. The drivers that have contracts with good paying shippers have no reason to park and jeopardize those contracts.
Hyena says
So which one of you fellers is going to pay my bills while my big wheels arent turning? I take cash or money order.
curtis Johnson says
they should allow more driver friendly hours. to be away from home that much a driver really needs to make the money.
Sean says
The industry should go back to relay sp that drivers go home daily like they used too. Just like the railroads still do. I have been an otr driver and I am getting out of it. I can make more $ doing math at 40 hrs than a driver at 70 hrs. The industry is to dumb to figure this out. Why does anyone want to work 60 to 70 hrs and never have any decent time off every week?
Robert Stone says
You are exactly right. That’s why I got out. No one wants to address the issue of truckers not being paid for there time. I work 10 hours a day for 5 days a week home every night. Make a little over a grand a week, sweet to me. Beats working 70 and making less money.
CCRIDER says
When did OTR drivers go home daily? I have been driving a truck since 1981. I never went home daily until I got off the of OTR and went to LTL in 2008.
Bill says
How much money do you need to make for you and your family? Are you living beyond your means? I make $70k a year and I’m home as often as I want. Yes, I’d like to home daily but they won’t happen driving local. You don’t need a new car, boat, motorcycle, etc to live comfortable.
Mark Ealy says
100k k a year its not about living its about being paid for my work take 70k ÷52= ….then take 52÷168 = 8.00 hr relly bad TARGET WORKERS GET 13HR
woofbeast says
Interstate drivers make about $25-30/hr for all working time. That is very good for an easy, low skill job.
Chris says
Low skill? Are you high? Most people can’t maneuver a family sedan through traffic. If you think trucking is a low skill job, you obviously don’t know the first thing about it!!!
James says
We are mostly paid per mile. When you spend time in traffic, loading\unloading, fueling, checking the truck, breakdowns, ect it is all unpaid. Don’t believe what companies say about compensation for it. They always have a way around not paying for it.
Most of my weeks I have 14 hour days 7 days a week. All away from home. Sleeping in a vehicle that has no bathroom or water. Then with the dangers of being robbed at a truck stop or the truck broken into, all while making less than a 800 a week after taxes.
Michael says
I don’t believe driving OTR is a low skill job. It’s only believed to be such when nothing goes wrong. Many companies have hurried inexperienced drivers in to the markets which not only has effect on rates, but also safety. This winter I saw more trucks in ditches than ever before. Such a low skill job is costing millions of dollars in damages, it’s not a low skill job as much as low skill drivers are to blame. To imply good skilled drivers are paid adequately is wrong. The safest drivers have years of experience and are deserving of great rates with ability to better manage time for efficient safe driving. All the math done in this forum has not accounted for down time, time away from home, and the fact many of us live in our trucks to create a hourly wage based on 70 hours and ect. As far as I am concerned I am on the clock the moment I leave my home. If I were sleeping in my own bed with my family close by than the argument can be made for what a trucker is worth hourly. The numbers are way wrong. To be away from family a week at a time or more in many cases demands better compensation.
Dan says
What company pays those wages? We are payed by the mile not by the hour. What rock are you hiding under?
kenneth says
What Interstate is that? Not making that on my interstate. Easy you say? Low skill you say? You are obviously not a truck driver.
combil says
You need to follow this closely 70000 divided by 52 weeks is 1346.15 here is where you run off the track you either work 70 hrs in 8 days or 60 hrs in7 days . 70 hrs workweek is $19.23 per hour and 60 hrs. is $22.43 Per hour Mark do not know what the 168 figure is so cannot calculate a reference This has been the pay scale for the trucking industry for years with a few exceptions, generally those are specialty positions that most ordinary drivers will not qualify for
James says
168 is the number of hours in a week. He’s playing the “I should get paid for every minute I’m not at home” card, which anyone with a brain knows is bull snot.
Brian Wildman says
Agreed.
24 hrs × 7days = 168….for all you 7/24 workaholics.🤣
Dumbass says
Target workers dont get enough hours though. Thats why were willing to work so many hours. Because at the end of the week, even though we free time a lot of it, the paycheck is better than target, or most other places that make more per hour than a trucker.
Rick Gaskill says
The problem is drivers keep accepting the low pay and poor working conditions. 75% of CDL school graduates won’t last more than a few months. Drivers whine about low pay and no detention time but stay with those carriers. Either leave or shut up. They accepted the pay and conditions they are whining about. There are better jobs for better drivers.
A Merrill says
I quit driving after a bad accident, not my fault! But the spouse still drives, 4 days a week, making $65k. No debt other than a truck payment that I will have paid off in a few months. Life is great when you don’t let possessions own you!!
Kevin says
Yes…….we all should be able to buy a new car , boat , ect….ect…..it sounds like the one who stated that we do not , is a less than hard working american.
Steve Johnson says
If it doesn’t benefit lawmakers or dot it wont get passed surly not in the intrest of the truck drivers the more the gov.messes with trucking the worse it will get
Rick Gaskill says
Money talks in Washington. The ATA makes millions of dollars in political contributions. They spend a couple of million dollars a year lobbying for things like ELDs. The OOIDA is a joke. They don’t contribute 1/10 of what ATA does.
Another thing is no regulation can be put into effect until after there has been a Request For Comments. The DOT makes a public announcement and provides a web link for the public to comment. The number of comments by anti-truck groups in favor of the regulations outnumber opposing comments by truckers by at least 20 to 1. Where is the OOIDA? Less than 1/2 a percent of their members comment.
Kelly says
How is this news? There’s no update till a release, bored recycling what’s already reported
Nick West says
The industry wants to lower cost by replacing drivers with automation! More profits for shareholders and puts good paying drivers to the soup line! Just a matter of time!
Bill says
It’s going to be a long time before automated trucks.
LS says
They are already on the roads delivering freight.
combil says
One truck out of 2 million loads per day is not anything I am going to be concerned about neither should you !
Douglas says
How many times does your phone or your computer act up or stop working. And this is caused by Computer virus. This fools are asking for trouble and they don’t even know it.
James says
In bad weather? Or just running from one giant warehouse to another giant warehouse in perfect conditions.
Plus we all know the quality of the trucks that the manufacturers puts out. If they were cars they would be considered the worst on the road. Even if they perfect the program for self driving trucks could you imagine the amount of extra sensors and radar that have to be installed on trucks that already have a the standard electrical problems trucks have.
David. says
More B.S .Same old story.Why should the public have any say over the drivers.Like they really know what drivers go threw eveyday on the roads.
Lonel says
Thank you for that great comment..
Donald Coen says
Because they are the ones killed when a driver falls asleep. By the way, i am a cdl driver.
Bill says
I agree with you. Too many drivers have fallen asleep and killed innocent people.
David says
Yes innocent in the idea. But guilty of the luxury of having things want at their fingertips.. last time check no suburb or city manufacture cellphone TV cars or grows fruit and vegetables to sustain their own population.. America created this beast… just like racism classism and sexism. My sympathy goes to these babies that dont even realize the world they where birth in.
A Merrill says
No more than 4 wheelers have killed texting while driving, drinking while driving……
Beverly Adkin says
Agree
Hammer Head says
I only kill the guilty ones.
Bill says
It’s because they don’t plan there day I just drove over 3400 miles last week. All legal miles was stopped every night before 6pm. I like the 30 minute break. It’s the only time I stop all day except for a bathroom break If you learn to keep that left side door closed and stay out of truck stops things like that won’t happen. I don’t drive nights at all ,and I’m home every weekend for at least 34 to 40 hrs.
"Still mashin dat mota" says
Sir Lancelots cousin….Sir Dropnhookselot…lol
Jamie Lenssen says
Snd the overwhelming majority of sleep accidents are cars. You pro guys get the guilty till proved innocent every time. Such bs
Buck says
No matter what the rule changes will be. Truckers going to whine about them because it doesn’t address them specifically. Until the drivers quit whining and crying nothing will change because you can never make a truck driver happy.
Dave says
Until everyone stands as one in the industry, and dictates what regulations will be, nothing the government puts out will be anygood. Nobody who makes these rules has ever driven a truck. I quit otr. In 2010 because of all the bs.
Big k says
That’s the truth.cry cry cry
Bill says
There is no way all drivers will be happy driving trucks. Drivers will always complain about something.
Kevin says
Yes……drivers complain too much. Some drivers actually complain , cos , their trucks will not go faster than 70mph.
Krs says
Stupid
T-BONE says
Yes, you are correct, there is a lot of “snot-slinging” out here, but if im not mistaking the last HOS change was the addition of the 30min break which doesnt bother me a bit. However, it wasn’t just the 30min that was added. It was also that nice piece of the 34 being between the hrs of 1am-5am. I can’t remember exactly how it was but it was the most retarded thing that I have ever heard of.
Edward W Enterline Jr says
Could only take it once every 156 hours or something too. Like why limit the number of times a driver can take a reset to rest??
combil says
That was inserted at the request of the ATA
Douglas Whiteside says
You are so right
Alan says
It was something in the line of ” Your 34 hour break should include 2 time periods of 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m.” And for the brief period of time there was another rule in effect about 34 hour rule stating something like “Unless your current restart begins at list 168 hours (7 days) from the end of your last 34 hour restart it doesn’t reset your 70 hour cycle.” They quickly turned it down tho. Sometimes it feels like those people don’t consult with trucking at all just making all kinds of rules that don’t make sense. I think the best solution would be to get rid of 30 brake rule and extend our 70 hour cycle to 80 or 90 hour cycle or get rid of that to all together so the cost to cost drivers don’t have to be resting on the road but can come home to their families and take the 34 hour restart there.
George says
Companies dont want you to come home.Thats the purpose of the 34 reset
Johnny Mangum says
That’s what I do and it works great. I go home every week it’s a team truck I have over 2 millon miles it is what each driver thinks is best for them.
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Socalmnstr says
I agree with your comment.👍👍👍, Non Truck drivers making rules and Laws, For Truck drivers. Also if the ELD’s are mandated for safety, Why are the AG haulers allowed to use paper logs? Truckers complain because it’s no a one size fits all job…
Jim says
If you so unhappy with truckers quit using are purchasing products that was delivered by them!
A Merrill says
Great comment, Jim. Let them starve, naked on the streets!
Rick Gaskill says
Very good comment, combil. There is plenty of support for regulations by people organized by ATA and “safety ” organizations. When a Request For Comments is posted very few drivers will comment. The Requests For Comments are publicly announced in all types of media including “Overdrive” and discussed in forums like Truckers Report. The drivers do have a chance to speak up but they don’t. It shows how useless OOIDA is.
Orland says
Without trucks America stops, that’s exactly what we need to do, stop all trucks, but I know is not gonna happen, Americans will continue to work for pennies.
Jesse says
You don’t need all drivers to
Stop ONLY FUEL TRUCKS NO FUEL/GAS
combil says
Fuel trucks will be the last trucks to stop making deliveries, the Fed will jump on that like nothing you have ever seen !
J says
Im with you
AL says
Whitout a electricity stops too…… stupid thinking
Jesse says
You don’t need all drivers to
Stop ONLY FUEL TRUCKS NO FUEL/GAS if you can’t get fuel nobody/MOVES
Rick Gaskill says
The major TRAVEL CENTERS have their own fleets and they don’t care about truck drivers. Their drivers aren’t the ones whining.
Tony says
Bring cheese because here comes the whine train!
I’ve dispatched and been a driver for over 34 years!
I have never in my life met a collective group of adults that act like big babies. They are the original millennials!
I swear we need to have trophies handed out at every customer they reach and told how amazing they are too.
Only thing that’s changed in 34+ years is the date and equipment!
Same whine same story never satisfied never happy always complaining always!
Bill says
I agree with you. Some drivers will never be happy with HOS or drivers wages.
tony the tiger says
I will award you the trophy for least empathetic and most dismissive dispatcher, Tony.
congrats.
Li riv says
Lol I only been driving for 23 years
You are 100% correct………cry cry cry baby cry
"Still mashin dat mota" says
After 34 years dispatching and driving ,and talking about how truck drivers whine ……its true….just look at you “whinining” about how truck drivers whine……whats your handle….”SIRENE”?? …..J.K. …Have a big ol blessed day!….lol
Ks says
Administrator Ray Martinez promises. Bu ha! ha! ha! ha! haaaa!!!
DwightKistner says
Buy the way when did the FMCSA ever done anything that benefited the trucker?
Sherry says
Hey guys and gals…at least the people put in place up there are making a difference. They’ve clarified guidance on the personal conveyance and actually expanded the times we can use it. And now they are working to fix HOS, which few ever complained about because they were cheating like hell just to be able to haul this cheap freight. I mean, let’s be honest, when the ELD mandate went thru, a bunch of drivers were only complaining about the device which meant they still didn’t know what the actual problem was. Be patient and give them some time. This stuff didn’t get in this shape overnight, and these aren’t the ones who got it there. This is a new group and they are actually admitting there is a problem. That’s at least half of the battle won already.
Mike says
This all well and good,but until they actually sit behind the wheel and go though what we do everyday they will never understand. Rules and regulations are not helpful when the promises already made are not kept like more parking instead states are closing restareas and truck stops charge you to park . States have also have started no parking on off ramps so if drivers have only 8 hrs drive time because if they have not found parking in most truck stops by 4pm they want . I feel when they put regulations on regular drivers who can go coast to coast if they want without rest and enforce laws already in place like cell phone use while driving and irresponsible drivers including truckers and stop selling alcohol in truck stops so some of these truck drivers cannot sit in thier trucks drink and then climb in thier trucks and drive doesn’t happen same for cars. I have seen this and and cellphone use while driving by both sides and is a danger to all on the road.
David Newell says
It’s pretty stupid when a company only one trailer truck that the driver doesn’t drive every day still has to sign in and out on that stupid box on the dashboard . I don’t understand why 1 truck companies can’t go back paper logs
Bill says
Did you ever run illegal? If you say NO, then you’re not telling the truth. If you would use paper logs again, you would revert to the old ways. The elogs are not perfect. Nothing is!
A Merrill says
Because everyone needs to run legal. Drivers will cheat on paper logs.
combil says
If you motor was manufactured before 2000 and you do not cross a state line you can
Mudflap says
Did away paper because of all the outlaw truckers running two or three log books
Rick Gaskill says
Some one truck operators are the worst violators. They have to work maximum hours to compete and survive. ATA pushes many regulations to put small carriers out of business.
Pawbear says
Yea we never stand together we have control of the country but we would rather work for pennies on the dollar and take all the abuse on top of that so just keep sticking your head in the sand until we get choked out I’m one of the brothers of the highways its time to stand together. We are the only industry that won’t stand together as a unit for are rights.
tony the tiger says
I would gladly unionize.
Where do I sign up?
Jeff says
Pawbear that’s right and that’s why exactly why the government is running over top of us and will continue to do it till we stop it
combil says
You cannot even control your daily driving assignment, and for a truck driver to mouth off about having control of this country is living in his own little private world and should stay there !
Rick Gaskill says
Most drivers don’t work for pennies and take the abuse and have no sympathy for whiners who accepted low pay per mile with no detention pay. Driver abuse is self abuse.
Jerry says
Wish I would of save time and just read the comments
Gabe says
Shouldn’t truckers be one of the first to see this? Why isn’t it put up to a public vote I mean we are the ones that are being effective here. Why all the cloak and dagger? Plus what kind of budget is needed to simply say you can’t do this anymore you have to do this now…? Bunch of bureaucrats don’t know what’s actually going on.
combil says
It is not a public vote it is a public commit survey, it is the law. They have to put the issue to a congressional committee for a rule change and then open the issue to a public comment period. If you want to do something constructive ,when it does come up make a suggestion that is realistic and professional in a neutral attitude> So you understand what that means if your comment is racial, secular, derogatory or vulgar it will be not be considered and deleted good luck
Bradley Chase says
I started driving at a time when no logbooks were used. An ELD was something never thought about. We lived with it. I’ve gone through the changes mandated when the gov’t got involved. Hence the new word DOT Inspections. We’ll make it through this one also.
combil says
Wow Bradley I did not think there where any drivers over 100 still alive congratulations ! I started driving in 1957, and we had the old 10 hour rule that worked beautifully for a couple of decades. as time passed and our government and Wall Street changed everyone realized that the day of the solo driver was going to soon be gone
Sandy says
If they would just allow real drivers to have input and address the real issue of allowing drivers to stop that clock would help enormously. Over 35 years experience in the trucking industry so I do know a little bit.
LS says
Did you not comment on the changes when you had a chance to?
Rick Gaskill says
Drivers have an opportunity to speak up. There is a public Request For Comments before any regulation can be put in effect. The requests are announced publicly in all trucking industry magazines.
Plase S. Moore Jr. says
Even the government, who designed, implemented and stumbled over the roll out of this so called, life SAVING E-log program, just can’t seem to get any of it right, thank God it’s not our military! But the problem I have with all of the stump speeches, and chest beating, is who has the reins? I suppose if you want something done, and done right, where are the professional drivers who should be on somebody’s panel.if you never experienced transportation aka logistics, why are you setting policy?? The lady owns sea going vessels, not 18 wheelers. I’m just say’n.
James was says
Truck drivers screwed themselves by not standing up to the government . The ATA screwed us all by paying off Congress to obtain what they want and impose there way of operation on us . U know level the playing field as they call it. I long for the day in this country when drivers ( what few real ones are left ) walk away and shut it down . Neal
Mike says
More of us are leaving every day
Punnisher says
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again , this one size fits all approach to HOS does not work never has worked and never will work . My humble idea is to require E-logs in every truck but do not limit a drivers hours , but after a set period of on duty hours / hours of driving , the device automatically triggers a warning to the driver that they are potentially a driving risk . That information combined with a history of traffic and DOT violations can be monitored in some database and at some point action can be taken by the FMCSA and or the Fed DOT as well as (I hate to say it) the insurance companies . This way it’s up to the drivers and the companies to police themselves and if they don’t then “THEY” pay the price for “THEIR” incompetence NOT every other good driver and company out their doing the responsible thing .Punishing the masses for those handful of bad actors is not only wrong it has proven to be ineffective based on the results of the last 50 or so yrs . This mentality of punish everybody for one or a few people’s actions only works in Boot Camp !
Jo says
They already have something that deems a person as a “risk” they are called “E-logs” to solve this they should have targeted the company not the driver, everyone is different with sleep habits the elog can create tired drivers just the same as paper can
Mike says
Make the rule simple, everybody back on paper, scrap the elds, and run till you get caught or crash whichever comes first. The eld was the worst thing to do to us. Those of us with 15 or more years in this field know what our limits are for driving and sleeping. Just buy a tractor built before 2000 and rebuild it like i did. End of the rules…….
Roger C Wellman says
Reality is the 14 hour rule has 68 mile an hour trucks driving 68 in a 45 zone, 68 in a 55,68 in a 75,they are under extreme pressure to drive max miles for obvious reasons,mostly reefer and teams.What we(the 5200 drivers that issued a comment to the government)we’re asking for was an expanded 14 hour rule to allow flexibility on taking breaks,not just a hard 30 minute break that everyone was using to fuel,reasonable request not whining
combil says
Fueling is on duty not driving, not break time
Hammer Head says
Unless you have a sandwich in one hand and the fuel nozzle in the other. On your lunch you do what you want when you want. It’s a real tough one to prove so Highway patrol leave it alone.
Rick Gaskill says
The 14 hour rule doesn’t have drivers speeding. Stupidity does. Drivers are stupid enough to be pressured to try to meet impossible schedules.
Smart drivers work for carriers with dispatchers that know how to schedule loads and are contracted to shippers that hire carriers based on safety ratings not low rates.
That’s what the whiners don’t get. The low paying carriers that set impossible schedules and don’t pay detention time aren’t representative of what the majority of the carriers are.
I drove my last 8 years before retirement on elogs. I was never late for an appointment and in 8 years I had all but 2 34 hour restarts at home. I was paid for all miles including bobtail and deadhead and was paid detention time if loading or unloading took over 2 hours.
Only a fool would work for a carrier that didn’t pay detention time.
Robert says
We don’t need a 30 break. Go back to 8 break. 10 is to much. Or just let us drive and or work 14 hours. Use it in any combination you wish as long as you don’t go over 14 hrs.
combil says
If you do your inspection as required and fuel once a day, B/L or paperwork at Port of entry etc 11 in 14 is consistently workable, The key to you getting the miles you need and you time at home is no persons responsibility more so then your dispatcher
Robert walker says
Yes, 8 hr break, there’s 24 hrs in a day, 8 for work,8 for play, 8 for sleep, very simple!
Eugene J Foggie says
This is BS. What does budget management have to do with hos hours. This is very disrespectful to the truckers. The truckers should see the proposal and vote then submit any changes needed. This is how changes are handled in all industries but trucking. We carry the sustance of the country and we are treated like dummies. Truckers need to ban together for once to make your industry better. Stop the bs among rach other.
Florian Pupaza says
Best Hos is 16 hours of service and 8 hours dot break. God bless America.
combil says
And you are dreaming !
12 Hours Out says
When they change the ELD, someone else will make more 💰 off the driver. Gotta love it..
JoeBob says
I think everyone should be subject to HOS rules. Then we will see who whines and cries.
combil says
Lets see the railroad has been on the box almost as long as the airlines Commercial tugs and passenger ferries on all waterways in North America have been on the box since 1980’s
Kevin Chevalier says
Reform Lmao!!! a bunch of suits and ties who either punch the clock or are on
salary, they got it in their heads you can operate in the daylight only like they do,
when are they gonna get it only people who have lived the life can understand
how it works, if everyone operated like you day time drivers do the parking
shortage would be much worse than it is, do the math
THOMAS HENSON says
I only have one complaint as always and that’s the 14 hour clock which should be 16 because on a 10 hour split if you subtract the sleeper period from the day you get 16 hours allowing 5 extra hours to take a break (2 hours which is required with the 8) hour sleeper period.
tony the tiger says
Huh? Come again?😖
Ajhd says
That’s sounds right 5200 comments the drivers don’t care let’s see the turn out on April 12.
Rick Gaskill says
Yeah, let’s see the turnout. It will be a joke like the slow rolls where less than a 1/10 of the predicted number of trucks showed up.
Dan says
The Same old BS. THEY Screwed us with elogs and it just continues… Trump could have Stopped elogs and Done Nothing. We Need To STAND TOGETHER or nothing will ever change?
Mr.Curmudgeon says
Let’s hope the rule is driver friendly. The last few months we drivers have been our own worst enemy – IL drivers have killed two troopers. ME, driver killed a trooper. The public doesn’t like us because we’re 80K# of rolling death mill… (their perception). YAMMD
Tuto bene says
I will park for a week
Shane says
the 70/8 should be changed to 70/7 or 80/8 like California, Texas and Florida. These states have awesome intrastate hours of service.
combil says
And they also have some very serious penalties for breaking their rules, they catch you crossing that state line and they will re evaluate you log history for the last 12 months and fine you accordingly, and in the state of Texas you can loose your business license and RRRC tag, that makes you done in the state
Val says
Uneducated people about trucking make rules for us. Broken system.
Val says
These idiots can not make rules for truckers that will benefit this business or the safety of it. They already failed so many times and all is because they have no experience in this field. Just sucking money out of it.
James DeLap says
I’m calling slip and fall lawyers to follow these trucks.
Illegals are driving them.
Bill says
If your not making enough money driving a truck, you are either working for the wrong company, going home too often and/or staying home too long, and/or living beyond your means.
Tuco says
And exactly what company would you recommend then?
Li riv says
The last one apply to so many of my friends …..new car new house….new motorcycle new toys ……idiots not even 105 k is enough………
How sad
Js says
Been at it for 24 myself and I couldnt agree more !
G. Rivers says
Been trucking since February 1979. Just get rid of the 34 hour reset, and the 30 minute break. Let men be men. We’re not babies incapable of handling ourselves. Stop putting all the safety features in trucks. They’re annoying and only make matters worse.
David says
When I started driving decades ago the paper log was the only way to go and I made the log work for me just like the rest of the truck drivers. The new system is safer and the industry needs safety.
Captain says
We had a truck related problem in 1976 and I stopped all trucks from running for 5 days, got public attention, we resolve the problem PEACEFULLY!
I (an independent O O contractor), with 5 others had a friendly meeting Suggesting they set up some service locations for emergency vehicle fueling and asking for their understanding to park all distribution tankers inside their gates. On an agreed time we will have 30 peaceful pickets sitting in LAWN CHAIRS SINGLE FILE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THEIR CLOSED GATES . IT ONLY TOOk 5 days . YOU MAY RECALL SEEING
NO GAS signs and closed gas stations.
Truckers, act like business people – professional non violent actions.
I now have 81 years of experience, “you can still get more with honey than vinegar”!
Michael Grossman says
They need to go back to letting us split hours 5on 5off and so on
Li riv says
Oh man I love that……
Mike says
Wtf so I guess paying my bills and putting food on the table should be enough I don’t think so
Cajunmudbug says
Same math I did years ago.
I just keep my CDL, cuz is for sure job.
Ron J Ouellette says
The biggest issue at present is the 5 to 8 hours a day waiting,without being paid,to have a trailer unloaded. Of course this idle time counts towards your HOS. Now we all wonder why no one wants to spend half their day not getting paid. Regulations !!! Try paying all drivers for their time sitting still in addition to their driving miles.
Rick Gaskill says
If you aren’t getting detention pay you need to change carriers.
Gregbo says
Despite all of the whining above Trump’s fmcsa is a lot better than Obama’s which hammered us for 8 years. We’ve already gotten back the split break and much better personal conveyance rules. My only major issue is the 30 minute break. Just a pain to keep track of. I don’t work 14 hours, I don’t work for mileage pay and nobody dispatches me. But I have to work under the same rules as a company driver. Makes no sense to me.
Mike Koehler says
Break up the 30 minute break into two fifteen minute segments.
Pass the eleven hour plus two once a month (72 hour max instead of 70 per month).
John brueckman says
Time to shut the trucks down 3 days will cripple this country.
Hammer Head says
That will never happen. You see companies like Swift, England, and especially Walmart, employ mostly newbies. These newbies won’t do anything to jeopardize their jobs. The newbies are the same ones that say ELD is the best thing that happened to trucking!! I’ve been trucking for 24 yrs and I’m on my way out ,but the new guys are going to be left holding the bag.
BTW: self driving trucks will be coming into the picture soon!! That’s where the real money is, for company owners that is.
JohnnyBoy says
No, you need 5 Days for the lesson to stick in there minds.
Keith says
If we could get rid of the useless 30-minute break after 8 hours, that would be good.
tony the tiger says
I couldn’t agree more. Everytime you wait in line to fuel up you get a break.
Bill says
You can take that 30 minute break anytime. I take mine after about 4 hrs. Then I can see what time I have left and can see how far I can go. It helps me plan my day better. If you stay out of the truck stops and drive You will be surprised how far you can go in a day.
Rick Gaskill says
A lot of people don’t know how to work that. It doesn’t say you have to take a break after 8 hours. It says you can’t drive after working 8 hours. Say you work 5 1/2 hours and have a chance to take 1/2 hour break. After the break you have 8 hours left on your 14 and can finish without another break.
Gun-slinger says
I that they need to let O/O with 10 trucks or less be ELD exempt can’t compete with bigger fleets
John says
The American public just doesn’t know what its like to have to live in a truck for two weeks at a time and get home every other weekend. The money isn’t that great and you don’t get paid if you’re not rolling . . . and now most drivers get paid “air miles” or a straight line instead of the way the road is laid out . . . trucking has changed so much since I got into it I just want to get out of it now because it isn’t worth the headache of what you have to go through just to try to survive. . . .I see so many people training to get into truck driving and say to myself in a couple of years they’ll be sorry . . . . sometimes it can be just like a rolling jail cell.
CERowson says
I would be happy with mandatory GPS and paper logs….. the old way worked…..SHUT EM DOWN!!! #BSM
Mike says
Regulate ship/con. Making drivers wait for no reason at all.
tony the tiger says
Yes, but unfortunately companies would take advantage of that to run your ass off. They don’t care if you get home or not and will run you to the max. That”s the reality of it.
Sonnyd says
I agree 5 on 5 off
That is the best way.
Unlisted.
Sonnyd says
I have been a truck driver for 30 years and I was very comfortable with the way it used to be 5 on 5 off no limits .you can drive and take a nap or go sleep when your tired. And still made the deliveries.
Kevin Chevalier says
The only JOB I know you can fined for things done in the past, that ain’t wright
nor just, it should only count from the prior day and present not a week ago
Rick Gaskill says
I guess you never heard of the IRS.
Mike says
Relax the 14 hr rule & sleep when you’re tired & drive when you’re not, the only good thing about elds is companies can’t push you beyond limits
Cesar says
The FMCSA doesn’t need to regulate the HOS. What it needs to be regulate is the rate companies paid. The truckers don’t need to drive more hours what we need is a decent rate.
Doing it Right! says
You know it floors me to read all of these comments about wanting to get rid of ELD from you’re truck! I’ve used some form of ELD for the last 19 years working in the Pacific Northwest. I’ve never had a problem with my HOS, throughout all off the changes! If you can’t do your job with an ELD, then you’ve been screwing the system your whole career and are the reason all of this crap is going on! Everything! Low wages, unreasonable delivery times, all the reasons you feel you need to run illegal. And the only reason you idiots want to run illegal is so you can make more money! Which again, brings us back to the low wages and unreasonable delivery times! You only have yourselves to thank for the mess you are being held accountable for. It’s ashame your all finally learning, NOW, how to properly do your job! Only now it to little, to late!!!
Doing it Right! says
As far as the current HOS Rules are concerned, I’m actually quite happy with them now as they are! My only complaint would be with the required 30 minute rest break. Working for a grocery distributor in the Pacific Northwest, I start my day at 3pm. and work 12-14. Having to well into the middle of the night while normal people are sleeping, it would be nice to have the flexibility to take that break when it is needed. Closer to the end of the day. As most of that work night and graveyard shifts can attest to, the last couple of hours of your shift can be the hardest to get through! I have found that for myself, especially on the longer shift, that having to stop by that 8 hour mark, force myself to take a 30 minute break, has only help to make me feel that much more tired. Knowing that I still have so much longer to go, and that I wasn’t ready for a break in the first place to begin with!!!
JohnnyBoy says
Oh, I see
“grocery distributor”
That explains everything
This is a prime example of why “one size does not fit all”
So obviously you haven’t held a real trucking job, more like local courier.
BA HAHAah
Tom says
FUEL TRUCKS… I am from NYS…. The union and the industry here is so bad they can’t get anyone to work together…. Union have there own goals and no support to help at all even to get good working conditions.,.. Companys cont care as long as they make money….. VERY LITTLE CHANCE THAY TRUCKS WILL STOP HERE TO HELP….
Rick says
The only trucks that should be on the road when they shut down april 12th is Budweiser trucks
PG. says
What ever you call in easy low skill job is what I call a pencil pusher. The day you will become a professional driver, you will find out it’s not what it looks like. Yes the driver wearing a nice shirt and driving a clean truck but that’s not all dear friend..
There is at least a 65% of what I call steer holder’s that think they are in a race car making that $30 per hr, and that’s the kind of people that are going to tell you it’s in easy job why…? Because they simply don’t care about how they drive.. So don’t be fooled. Sheers…
JohnnyBoy says
OH you mean like “Doing it Right!”….^ ^
Stroker says
Here’s a thought. Stop hauling cheep freight and refuse to go to customers notorious for long detention times. JUST SAY NO
Voice of the American trucker says
Let’s stay on subject your Ladies and gentlemen. This started with a conversation about hours of service. For starters the 30 minute break my opinion is ridiculous. This is my 38 year out here running coast to coast . I do it for the same reason that most all real truck drivers do it they were either born to do it for the enjoy the freedom of the job. Where the mistake of hours of service comes in it dehumanizes the driver that is behind the wheel. You have to allow a driver to sleep rest take a break when they feel the need to not once some bureaucrat says they are supposed to . It’s the only job in America it when you have your off time you are not allowed to go anywhere or do anything in the government is still in control of your off time. That rule seriously needs to change. Many drivers out there do not sleep six 810 hrs. a day. I found many years ago including myself that I could get up drive for five hours take a break for for five hours I have for another bar five hours and it was legal. And I felt well rested and still made my load and deliver on time. If they would like to up the amount of money for fines if you’re giving us the freedom to operate within the hours of service and a 24 hour. I would be all for that against the rule breakers. Believe me when I say I understand why they have implemented rules. I was one of the many rule breakers years ago that’s right I’m old-school I carried many love books are in my day. So yes you are the blame I’m the blame I admit it. The second point is let’s all remember it’s not the government it is pushing for these real changes or the changes of the past. These rules are put together by big major trucking companies so that they can babysit and track every second of your movement . If it was about safety they wouldn’t take years and months to implement something . It’s like getting a ticket in the scale house for having a body laid out on the trailer if it was about safety they wouldn’t let you leave. I imagine I could write all day . So for point number two to settle the argument with Mark. You can’t measure it by the hours because you don’t get paid by the hours and if you’re going to use your calculations that you have then you have to subtract the 10 hour break you take every day from the 70 or 60 hour work week you should not get paid for your time off more than anybody else. And you can always make the statement well if I’m not home I’m working which may be true. Then tell your company you need to get paid for that or just find a nice job at AutoZone and stay home. Either way there’s no room for complainers out here we’re all here live in the same way doing the same today some of us were born to do it so unless were not figure out who you are thanks ladies and gentlemen have a great safe ride I’m out. Voice Of The American trucker.
Voice of the American trucker says
I’d like to start a whole new conversation. I’m looking for feedback and opinions on my views which I send a letter off to the White House every 30 days with your suggestions . I would like to see the manufactures of trucks that design the bunk area for a drive. This may not be a popular subject and some may find it to be a hilarious subject. I propose letting over the road truck driver his foreman opinion on how are you sleeping bunk should be designed. There is one thing that they easily could install in every bunk there is room and why they don’t I have no idea in the world but it something we all need and don’t have. A porta potty! I propose and I’m looking for yes or no answers to either have or not have it added to the 2021 models of trucks. Since we all would agree it’s hard to find a place to park it’s even harder to find a place to stop. What do you want to admit it or not every driver out here then to the point of wonder. You know what I’m talking about you’re wondering why you’re gonna make it to the head or not. My proposal is I find the stand up cabinet that holds your hanging clothes in most cases mounted on the left side or passenger side of the bunk to be about useless. I say move the back blank wall out approximately 12 inches re-designed the cabinetry above that area and put in a porta potty on that wall with the drainage hose or cap on the outside which you can then release it into a dumping station at almost every truck stop. Let me know ladies and gentlemen what you think. Again it is my pleasure to be part of your industry and be the Voice Of The American Trucker.
JohnnyBoy says
Oh so your the mystery pooper, leaving plastic grocery backs full of excrement all over the truck stop parking lot so other drivers get surprised when what they thing is just a snow pile was a stealth poop pile
Well genius, where do you suggest disposing of you sewer.
Keep your half baked ideas to yourself, all you doing is giving truckstops more ways of take money out of your lazy arss because you don’t want to go inside the truckstop to go to the bathroom like the rest of us normal humans.
David Schabel says
Isn’t it wonderful people that have never been in a truck make the decisions on what and how we must behave. No one makes them behave. Sent to the white house for what that guy will be busy building a wall we don’t need. Spend billions on infastructuer.
Johnny Mangum says
That’s what I do and it works great. I go home every week it’s a team truck I have over 2 millon miles it is what each driver thinks is best for them.
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Jimmy says
Restrictions are good it’s the only thing that drive wages up. I’m hoping they’ll move it to a four hour break and a 50 hour week, 6 month. Physical Certification and yearly hazmat then you’ll see a dollar a mile.
Tn Roadrunner says
Been trucking 39yrs and seen all kinds of changes but this is ridiculous. Forcing drivers to keep going when they are tired is the lawmakers fault because once they start their 14hrs they can’t stop and rest 2 or 3 hrs if they get tired and then finish their run safely. They have to continue till they get there.this is a safety issue that needs addressed it’s all about money and control not safety for the public or drivers.
Tn Roadrunner says
Hammerhead is your initials J B ?
Scotty says
Don’t worry we’ll hire you at $0.30 a mile and run you into the ground thousands of miles a week hauling the crap that no one else wants to haul.
We’re not concerned with your safety and being able to find a place to park just hurry up and get there and then sit and wait, if you’re lucky we’ll give you some detention pennies after sitting there for the first 4 hours.
In the words of a Truck Company CEO
Scotty says
It took me many years a good driving to achieve to the point where I work for a fabulous company that actually takes care of me when it comes to pay life insurance disability insurance in a whole host of other things.
Typically I drive 2500 miles a week I come home after the 13th day then take 2 days off my average take-home pay after taxes for 2500 miles a week as a company driver is $1,400 my medical insurance cost me $96 a week for me and my wife with a dental plan included it is $106 a week I don’t drive any farther than Fort Worth Texas and I don’t go any higher than Hendersonville North Carolina 80% of my loads a drop and hook the first day that I started with this company I was given one week’s vacation automatic I didn’t have to work a whole year in order to get vacation. I read a lot of stories about how there’s a shortage of drivers and in my opinion there is a shortage of qualified drivers because of the fact that big companies bring them in and grind them up in the drivers get to the point of leaving the industry or driving in ways that most people wouldn’t.
I’ve been out here close to 30 years I plan on working another 10 and then retiring.
Trucking has always paid my bills and taking care of me and my family but over the last 30 years A lot has changed anytime the government involves itself in private Enterprise there’s always going to be a negative effect.
Richard says
You guys are exactly right these new drivers or automatic wheel holders that are so job scared won’t stick up for themselves nor do they have a voice to Say how they really feel their their a bunch puppets for Corporate America and Corp America is controlled by no other entity but the federal government. Which is where we at now. They are still getting their big tax breaks
Richard says
Way I see things I am for the shut down let them crumble. How do these lawmakers and Corp lobbsleep knowing that they are voting and changing
HOS to whose benefit? And pushing a surge for parking? I’m not scared I came to my company looking for a job I’d Leave if looking for one.
Norman says
I agree
Me says
4/12/19 Shut Em’ Down!
BlackSmokeMatters
T.S. Broncheau says
After reading each of the individual comments, I found myself questioning the commentary authors. Please do not misunderstand me here, as my direction of questioning is not to disrespect anybody for taking the time to acknowledge their opinions, as we all have a vast array of thoughts concerning H.O.S. reform, but I am uniquely curious as to see how many of these comments are made by folks who are OFFICIALLY ON RECORD AS ONE OF THE 5200+ FOLKS WHO TOOK TIME IN 2018 TO VERBALIZE THEIR CONCERNS, ISSUES, REBUTTALS, IDEAS FOR REFORMATION, &/OR OFFERED COMMENTARY/ ELD DATA FROM THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES WITH THE CURRENT H.O.S. WHEN FMCSA ANNOUNCED THEY WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE H.O.S. NEED FOR REFORM? BY THIS I’M ASKING DID YOU PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE 5 LISTENING SESSIONS, BY POSTAL MAIL OR BY MEANS OF ONLINE COMMUNICATION TO FMCSA??
* I DID * & I GATHERED OVER 800 SIGNATURES FROM FELLOW DRIVERS, (yes these are people I interact with from the “agricultural & [livestock] industry in the midwest & western most states) O/O’s, & STATE DOT ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, TRUCKING COMPANY SAFETY DIRECTORS, CONSIGNEES, FAMILIES OF LOCAL / OTR TRUCK DRIVERS & MANY CITIZENS WHO DOES NOT HAVE A CDL BUT WHO EQUALLY FEEL THE NEED TO WEIGH IN THEIR OPINIONS AS WELL.
I AM A TRUCKING INDUSTRY ADVOCATE FOR SAFETY AS THE #1 CONCERN. I AM A VETERAN DRIVER OF MORE THAN 25 YEARS, & HAVE INTENTIONALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN HOW TO OPERATE EVERY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY EDUCATE ME ON THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES, DIRECT IMPACTS, SAFETY CONCERNS INVOLVING REGULATORY MANDATES ETC. . . I was also part of the 2,000 drivers selected to participate in the last H.O.S. revision.
(Just for the record … that REVISION WAS DONE SO BY AN UNEDUCATED COMMITTEE OF NON CDL DRIVERS & WAS VOTED IN BY CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES WHO WAS GIVEN MISLEADING INFORMATION REGARDING THE LONG TERM SAFETY IMPACTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE NATION’S TRUCKING INDUSTRY… )
FMCSA took the initiative to reach out to all the truck drivers, owner operators, any potential person directly affected by the trucking industry back in 2018. That shows their willingness to try & fix the H.O.S. issues which are causing the nation’s industry to continually be disembodied by the failure of the regulatory mandates currently in place.
I am no different than anybody else who commented on this forum, but I AM A DRIVER WHO WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR REGULATORY SAFETY ON THE ROADWAYS, FOR THE HEALTH & HAPPINESS OF THE TRUCK DRIVERS, HELPING SMALLER O/O’s KEEP THEIR COMPANY ON THE ROAD WITHOUT UNNECESSARY BUREAUCRATIC POTHOLES, PLUS ADDRESSING FAMILIES WHO’S SOUL SOURCE OF INCOME IS FROM A CDL DRIVER & HOW H.O.S. COULD ASSIST FINANCIAL STABILITY AS WELL AS STATE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS JOBS OF ENFORCING THE LAWS.. .. ..
I’m not passing judgement on you if you are not one of the comments, registered on the federal documents. I’m simply trying to stress that YOUR VOICE MATTERS .. IF YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO COMMENT HERE, WHY NOT TAKE THE SAME TIME TO HIT UP THE FEDERAL DOCKET COMMENTARY SECTION SO YOUR WORDS CAN DO MORE THAN JUST SATISFY YOUR DESIRE TO SHARE YOUR OPINION TO THE FOLLOWERS HERE .. . . IF YOU EVER FIND YOURSELF IN DOUBT THAT THIS NATION IS FALLING VICTIM TO UNJUSTICE .. TAKE A MINUTE TO LISTEN TO A CLASSIC PAUL HARVEY COMMENTARY ON THE BIOGRAPHY OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM!!! THEN PLAY THAT SAME COMMENTARY FOR ANYBODY IN YOUR EARSHOT.. TAKE A STAND & HELP THOSE OF US WHO FIGHT DAILY FOR THE TRUCKER DRIVERS & FOR THE REFORM NOT ONLY FOR H.O S. BUT FOR THE ENTIRE NATION’S RECERTIFICATION OF WHY WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY TO LIVE & WORK IN!!! APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS & THANX FOR YOUR TIME ….
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CL says
I like the 34 hour restart it’s nice to have don’t get rit of that. I don’t much care for the 30 minute break and how long you have to wait before it counts. The 8 to 10 consecutive hours in sleeper is ok. If you look at it if you are a team truck sleeping going down the road some of these road’s they way they are you need all the sleep you can get and solo drivers get a better sleep cause the truck isn’t moving down them roads but we all can agree on while we drive our shift that these roads abuse our bodies. I also think the customer should not take 1 to 8 hours or longer to load or unload I feel that load should be a check in hook and go or a drop.
Also there is quite a difference from company driver to owner operators (owner operator lease to a company). You have your solos and teams. And different types of freight. Different types of trailers to consider it’s not one size fits all.
Dan says
When I started the 10/8 rule was in effect. Breaks didn’t count against you and we had a better quality of life on the road. Take a break or nap if needed no problem. Getting out of your truck allowed you to inspect your equipment on a regular basis, be rested, continue your trip safely, and provided truckstop parking. Today we are tired, less attentive, crowded into parking at the same time, less safe, and working 14 hour days. The National Transportation Safety Board needs to look into this since we are actually indentured underpaid slaves.
kenneth says
The problem is that no one at FMCSA has ever been in trucking, by their own admission. So you have a government agency trying to regulate an industry they know nothing about.
Do you honestly believe that anyone at FMCSA goes home and sleeps 10 hours a night? This should go back to 8 hours and ditch the 30 minute meal break also. That would be a step in the right direction.
Rolando Gonzalez says
We need less time to work and to be paid better for our work
Rolando Gonzalez says
We’re the main link in this chain,we blame the eld and don’t demand that they pay us more
k morton says
everybody misses the point. the fourteen hour rule is what makes driving so dangerous today. it prevents a driver from stopping and taking a good meal break and going to the bathroom properly. a hot dog every day will kill you. all they put into a hotdog is garbage. what they can’t sell on the shelf goes into the hot dog
plus preservatives and salt. it is a recipe for disaster. however it is all the time the 14 hour rule allows drivers to eat while they stop for fuel. there simply is not enough time in the 14 hour rule to get all your work done much less stopping and eating and going to the bathroom. eating and bathroom stopping is what the big trucking companies call uneccary stopping.
Jim says
This isn’t about safety, it’s a about control
Thomas Thompson says
Out of 27 yrs running threw the states. From paper log to a roll of quarters to call in. To the current ELD and cell phones. Nothing has changed. It is not the drivers. But lazy load planners and dispatchers who don’t work with there driver. Drivers manage your time and manage your money. The FMCA rules change like a pair of underwear. Because those government officials have never been in a truck drove a truck. They all talk the same B’s. But have never done this job. But they want there ice cream and cake at the same time. Make it simple 12 hrs on 12 hours off. And make the shipper and reciever accountable. If they hold a drive even 10 minutes past there appointment time. They have to pay the driver a $100.00 bucks for ever hour via comdata t check or efs not to the company but to the driver. Delays are what cause drivers to push and make mistakes. Not your dispatchers. All they are is information providers. To top this off all drivers should be paid a min of .75 cpm nothing less you do the work the sacrifice of home and family. Unless your home every day or night to see your kids wife ect. Big corporate company make millions but also spend million daily. Fuel equipment ins. And yes some some bad things happen. Be the better person slow down watch what and where your at. And if we all really wanted to bitch. Bitch to California repersentives about the DEF COST OR THAT THEY WONT MAKE TRAVEL TIME FAIR ONCE OUT OF MAJOR CITIES.
James DeLap says
Automated OTR trucks are on way; this leaves LOCAL driving/day cabs/HOURLY PAY. . .ELD mandate is a “safety” scam to help expedite driver skills development. . .eg forcing truckers to compete over LIMITED parking.
Get it???
jaremy lee says
No matter what you change for HOS, there are still gonna be tickets, accidents, deaths, etc. Why because supply, demand, and greed! Companies want to get rich it’s why people start businesses any other reason is a lie! It’s the same in any field, I would say raise the pay but that won’t solve anything because it would cause more greed from the driver and company side! I say quit over regulating the drivers and start regulating and higher fines towards the companies, shippers, and receivers that are pushing these loads so hard, and raise the pay but add more relaying but you have to make it worth it for the driver to beable to do it and still feed their families!
Steve Tubbs says
Why not just do away with logs all together. Make rules for more training before solo driving. You are going to say cause drivers would drive tired and there would be more accidents. …. Not if the company got fined in such incidents. Put more rules on companies, not the drivers. And do away with governors or speed limiter. Then the public might not hate us so much.
Steve Tubbs says
Let the driver decide how long he or she can drive. Not everyone need 8 hours sleep. For some of us 8 hours makes me feel more tired.