An in-depth investigation into several trucking companies has revealed a system that keeps drivers trapped, in debt, and in some cases driving 20 hours a day in order to make just pennies a week. Now, at least one major retailer has dropped a carrier accused of labor violations.
Published on June 16th, the USA TODAY Network had been researching and investigating their story for a year. They focused on drivers who work at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. According to USA TODAY, the journalists “pieced together accounts from more than 300 drivers, listened to hundreds of hours of sworn labor dispute testimony and reviewed contracts that have never been seen by the public.”
They even poured through shipping manifests searching for evidence to back up claims from drivers that the companies were violating federal labor laws.
According to the investigation, the most egregious violations occurred using lease-purchase programs. Companies would tell their drivers that their options were leasing a truck or losing their job. So drivers would take on tens of thousands of dollars in debt, paying around $700 a week to their companies for the lease and maintenance. On top of that, since they “owned” their trucks, they also had to pay their own insurance, registration fees, gas, and more. Drivers at one company even had money taken out of their paycheck for things like parking on the company lot, toilet paper, and office supplies.
The USA TODAY article delved in-depth with one driver’s paycheck, showing how in one week he grossed $1,970, but after expenses paid to his carrier, he took home only $33. The next week he took home $112. The week after, he got a check for 67 cents.
In fact, the article claims that instead of getting a paycheck at the end of the week, some drivers frequently got invoices telling them that they actually owned the carrier money. And all of this while they were often forced to work as many as 20 hours a day.
When the journalists asked the drivers why they didn’t just quit, many replied that if they left now, the lease would be terminated and they’d lose all of the money they’ve already paid in.
Most drivers signed 5-year leases, but if drivers missed a payment for any reason, the company could terminate the lease and keep all of the money that the driver had paid for it. Even if the driver had paid on time for 4 years and 11 months, the article says, “If they got sick, fell behind on the lease or were fired in the last month, they could lose everything – as if they had never paid a dime.”
And if that happened, the company could just turn around and lease the truck to another driver, starting that 5-year clock all over again.
The investigation claims that these carriers forced their drivers to work up to 20 hours a day by withholding their paychecks and threatening them with firing, a suspension, or reassigning them to lower-paying routes. Managers at more than one company would allegedly lock the gates and refuse to let drivers leave, ordering them back to work.
USA TODAY sums up the experience that many drivers had as “modern-day indentured servitude.”
But many of the carriers they worked for don’t see it like that. Reporters on the USA TODAY article tried to contact owners and managers at more than 30 different carriers. The few who were willing to talk said that the allegations were false and likely manufactured by union organizers.
One executive admitted that there were some issues, but claimed that any violations of law were “unintentional” and were the result of marketplace pressures.
Still others described drivers as ungrateful, saying that their lease-to-own programs are a favor to truckers who might not otherwise have a job. They point to the truckers who have completed their lease programs and now own their trucks, saying that drivers who fail or can’t make a living just aren’t working hard enough.
The USA TODAY article caught the attention of four senators. The senators sent letters not to the carriers who the article was about, but instead contacted the companies that hire them to haul their goods. Sixteen large companies including Walmart, Costco, Target, Home Depot, J Crew, Hewlett-Packard and more received letters from the senators urging them to ensure that the companies they use to haul their products are following the law.
It’s an unorthodox approach, but targeting carriers hasn’t been effective in the past. Since 2010, at least 1,150 port truckers have filed claims in civil court or through the labor commission. Judges have sided with truckers 97% of the time, and carriers have had to pay millions of dollars in fees. But as long as the demand for cheap freight remains, carriers will talk about the unintended consequences brought about by marketplace pressures.
By targeting large companies however, the senators hope to reduce the demand for cheap freight by shaming them into action. If a trucking company the general public hasn’t heard about is accused of violating labor laws, most people don’t pay attention. But imply that a household name is at least tacitly supporting “indentured servitude” and some changes might get made.
It seems like the strategy may pay off. Already Costco has announced that it is ending its relationship with one of its carriers over the allegations brought up in the article. Hewlett-Packard has sent an auditor to investigate the practices of that same carrier. Even Walmart claimed that it would cancel contracts with any carrier that wasn’t able to prove it was operating legally.
But of course, not all of the companies are willing to step up. Many claimed that it isn’t their responsibility to police the transportation industry. Others say that they don’t hire the truckers, and in some cases, don’t even hire the carriers. Instead they hire logistics firms who take care of the shipping for them.
“We’re not trying to wash our hands of this issue,” said a spokesman for LG Electronics according to USA TODAY, “but it’s frankly far afield” and “really very disconnected from LG Electronics.”
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Bulldog03 says
In fact is all true as reported., However, instead of approaching the shippers, ” Walmart”, owns its on fleet. Why not approach the trucking companies even some of the Arizona’s base companies who are operating out of South of the border with built terminals, and really make an impact, thank you to those senators aforementioned, but they contacted the wrong crow.
CAS says
Walmart has it’s own fleet, but fact is Schneider drives those trailers too. Been there, done that. Not to mention JB Hunt and others. Wally world doesn’t like paying overtime so the Megs spoop in for cheap and cover a lot, especially on weekends and holidays.
Chuck says
You know nothing of “Wally World’s” pay. I am a driver for them. I get paid for every sing thing I do, and make way above the industry average. So please don’t make claims about that which you do not know. Not to mention, the “megs” as you put it, actually charge more than it costs for Walmart Private fleet to haul their own freight. They have an infrastructure that you obviously have no clue how it works. I make more as a company driver here, than I did as an owner operator. So bash the company you work for, not the one that helps me create a good life for my family. Oh yeah, and let’s not forget the 26 paid days off (at my average daily pay) plus 4 safety days (also at adp), that I can take anytime I choose. By the way, those numbers increase the longer I’m here, and I’m only in the beginning of my 3rd year.
Ester says
Wow this sounds like Bridger logistics….exactly what they do….yicks run from these type of bogus offers.!!!!!!!
John Hernandez says
I worked for CR England in 2010 and they did the same same to me when i leased a truck from CR England whom owned the leasing company Horizon and i was only authorized to haul for CR England customers. All my settlements of more than 5 thousand miles a week had claims i owed money and my paychecks were $1week or less
And i was a driver trainer. I have all the proof in a file if anyone is interested. Contact me by email.
Silverspur says
Are these the same senators that support the per diem pay scam that cheats the company drivers?
And now they act like they care about humanity so much. They are going to shame the carriers into doing the right thing. How touching.
Geno Kubiak says
1st lease purchase programs should be illegal. Then they should go after this carrier and start putting them in jail , end of story .
Marleen yellin says
Unless they sign you up for lease purchase without your knowledge its up to you to make that decision wisely. If you fail you fail nobody’s fault but your own
Brian Shanabrough says
Anybody’s fault but your own? You can only do what dispatch has you do. A lot of lease purchase plans are designed to fail. the closer the driver gets to pay in the truck off the small of the paychecks become. The driver then turns to the truck back in walks away with a big loss.The company takes the truck back and the process is repeated w/ another fool waiting to lease purchase the truck,
Heavy Trucking Man says
The abuse of truckers is nothing new. This particular scam has been going on for some time now as well. I had numerous dealings with LG as a FedEx Custom Critical contractor. Everyday the same loads would come out and everyday they would pay a pittance. After 5 years the contract was terminated and LG found another sucker to run their cheap loads. My understanding about LG is that Ryder logistics handles the shipping end of their business.
Tom says
Too bad USA Today doesnt investigate the entire fleece to own concept. All it really is, is a way for carriers to increase their fleets without any REAL investment in equipment. If uneducated drivers who are desperate to own their own trucks were saved from themselves by outlawing the practice, carriers would have to purchase and insure their own equipment. This would raise rates and make things better for ALL truckers. Owner/operators and company drivers alike.
C Smith says
Outlawing lease to own is nothing more the a supertrucker comment, why , because many drivers DO have what it takes to run a business, BUT don’t have what it requires to start one from scratch, do to the last 7 yrs a crappy economy. Laws controlling lp programs are what is needed. As well as proper business instruction to those drivers. I fight and struggle for EVERYTHING a owner op does for months at a time out here. I put MORE time and effort into maintaining a business then many owner ops that I know but get bashed by the guy sitting next to me who has achieved what I’m working my ass off to get to. Stop demeaning my hard work plain and simple. Protect us as we try to acquire OUR rightful futures. I COULD be home collecting YOUR tax money in welfare
WP says
For the last 7 years we’ve been in a robust, rebounding economy.
Charli says
Right on WP !!! I don’t know where he’s been.
Jack says
Those ignorant and uneducated enough to get trapped in these so called Leases are in fact, paying the company to drive the company trucks!
David says
I’ve always said, companies invest more in reqruitment than thier own drivers, even when they don’t need drivers. The goal there, place new drivers who don’t have a clue, at cheaper pay…
Marleen yellin says
Once again save the babies from themselves….if you want a truck just like a house save up for it…because if you cant come up with a down payment how will you be able to pay for a breakdown….thats not the government job to stop you from making dumb decisions
Robert Walters says
Well here’s a little bit for you,if the company’s would pay a descent amount of money per mile and and not have the price of the truck so dam high, you would have more people leasing; I have been driving for over 10years;and with all the company’s out there going to automatic transmission’s and super single tires, which I hate both of them; buying or leasing a truck is the only way I can keep driving, companies need to have 10speed manual trucks and automatics, not all automatic some of us are drivers not the steering wheel holders they hire today.
Aaron says
All I know is that the ones that want to run hard an work, are not getting but what or less than theseven kids coming out of school, all these companies that are known, are so caught up in what they can do for the ones in office that feed us lies an say well nothing we can do but take ur check this wk, for recipets that was turned in from when I was broke down an had to stay in a room an taxi fees I had pay for an not a lease owner, they treat us like garbage
Jude Ossowski says
How long does it take to realize you’re being cheated and robbed? Sometimes it’s best to just cut your losses and walk away forma bad situation. Or do these companies pay good until year 3 1/2 or 4 then start screwing the drivers? It’s scams like these that keep me from taking part in any “lease to own” program with anyone.
RaginBull69 says
Same here! I would rather be a company driver and collect a paycheck every week than to be a lease owner and collect 1 check every month!!!
Marleen yellin says
Run smarter not harder
Rob says
Best comment I’ve seen so far!
troy says
Most of the big companies own the dealerships. So they make money on the sale. They get the trucks for around 80 grand and sell it for 130 on a lease to buy. Then financing the lease they are allowed to take the depreciation. They make money on the required maintenance and insurance etc. On top of that the driver is basically owned by the company for years. Swift, Prime and Schnieder are just a a few of hundreds big and small.
Walker says
Schneider is very terrible. You have about 1200 a week in set cost. for a Freightliner that is 3 years old. I worked for them for 1.5 years 6months as a company driver and 1years as a lease purchase. When I turned my truck in after the lease. They came up with so many extra charges so that I couldn’t get the remainder of my maintenance and escrow returned to me. For instance I got charged for fuel and def. A pm(which the called a reconditioning fee) Just had a pm done 2000 miles prior to turning the truck. Damage to the truck in which a insurance claim was filed on my behalf due to a truck back into mine. With that saying the just stole over 5000 from me.
CAS says
Well said. What ever happened to the government stepping in to prevent Mega companies from owning all and swallowing up all the small companies? Like the Standard oils & steel comglamorates of yesteryear?
Marleen yellin says
Don’t forget…national freight was formed that way
Michael ostic says
Not all companies are bad I leased and payed a truck and trailer off in 3 years at pope trucking in Pearson GA then sold everything back to them at a handsome profit. But I agree there is a lot of companies out there that will take advantage of drivers who don’t know any better. My advice to drivers really scrutinize a company before getting in bed with them do your home work. Talk to everyone that works for the company check out what Freight thay haul. and most of all remember it takes hard work to make a company thrive. Good luck and God bless
Bittytheknightrider says
Yeap, it’s all a scam to make the driver feel he/she is the boss of a lease truck, the company has no maintenance fees to take care of and nine times out of ten, the carries run their drivers all 45 just to earn 500.00 to 600.00 for the whole week it’s sad. I use to lease until I caught on my friend told me abput smaller companies and I’m good make about the same money without thr headaches from sorry dispatchers and cheap companies
BigPete389 says
Exactly! There are many companies local or otherwise that pay well without having to lease. And by well I mean over 1k weekly easily. You tube Truckers love to hype the lease/fleece game.
David says
More like recruiters like to hype the fleece game…
Bittytheknightrider says
That’s about sorry typo
David S. McQueen says
Drivers who get into the “lease-to-own” programs need to read the contract. If they need to ask a lawyer to explain it, they certainly should. I was a company driver for many years but I also know contract law and NEVER fell into that “lease-to-own” trap. I recommend that if you want to own your own truck, then save your money, buy a truck by getting a loan from a bank and be an “owner-operator”, independently operating “over the road” without the obligation to the trucking company. Never EVER join a union.
David Le Force says
driving for a union company and being a teamster for the last 25 years has worked well for me , you don’t see a driver turnover issue at union companies and you certainly don’t see issues of driver abuse like those in this article . However I do tend to be a little suspicious when I hear claims from truck drivers like ” I know contract law ” the phrase truck stop attorney springs to mind
MrBigR504 says
Yeah give me a Union any day! This right to work crap has got this s–t all screwed up now! You cant get a good wage because someone who can barely speak English is doing the job for chumps change. Not racist so do get me wrong. I mean if i was from a third world country earning Penny’s a day and then come to the US and see $10.00 an hour for the first time in my life, I’d be excited too! But its the corporate big wigs that pay for cheap labor and keep all the profits. Or they outsource the jobs all together. My point is you cant hardly trust people with power to do the right thing by their employees so you need a Union to force their hands and keep them honest!
Jr says
Or to beat you, or throw you out if you don’t pay for their “protection”.
Jo says
^^^^This. The problem for many of the lease to own operators, though, is that they can’t qualify for a traditional loan from a bank. Or they would have to take the time to save, plan, and organize. It’s immediacy and short-term convenience that sucks people in. It’s the same old story as “cash advance” businesses, rent to own furniture, and buy-it-now don’t pay for 60 day electronics. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.
skim says
This is going on everywhere in the US, maybe not as severe as these cases in California, but there’s lots of companies out there pulling this same scam…They look for vulnerable drivers with low IQ’s and poor credit ratings, then make them feel like big shots by leasing them a truck..Then they have them trapped, they become the companies slaves, and if they complain they make it rough on them until the driver finally gives up and quits, losing hundreds or thousands of dollars in escrow.. I run into these guys and their stories all the time…Risinger is one of the worst, but most all the big companies are in on it too..They treat a handful of drivers well, and use them as recruiters, they’re the ones who come on these complaint blogs and stick up for the company, saying their great companies to work for, and it’s the drivers fault that they went bankrupt…Watch out for the companies the put bible verses on their trailers, they’re the one’s that think they are gods…
Jason Aho says
I second the Bible verses as a warning. Not just in trucking, but in alot of industries. I’m not atheist or anti-christian, but can say from personal experience that I’ve had the most trouble trying to do business with people that tout the Bible or the name of Jesus. Almost as if they feel entitled to screw people.
Kudos to the people doing the investigation, I hope it goes somewhere and leads to some positive changes in the industry.
Tim C says
Why didn’t the Senators also pressure the Departments of Labor, Transportation, and Justice to put an end to the legalized slavery practices of the entire trucking industry? Trucking Companies have become the greatest scam artists of the century, and nobody outside of the industry knows, or gives a rats rear end.
BigPete389 says
Because some of these companies are in their states and do provide jobs, which in return they get kick backs for especially when those company owners show up at 1k plate dinners and vote for them. It’s all about the game of Politics. Don’t care if they’re Reps or Dems it’s all played the same. For some, Trucking is the only job a driver can get and he has to do what he has to do especially if he has a family to support. Not criticizing anyone but sometimes that’s the hand we’re dealt, but being taken advantage of the way the are should be criminal.
Juan Robledo says
It happens with the regular trucking companies as well, with violating the lease driver contract by having to pay for Qualcomm, and other fees, there is just too many loopholes where companies get over on driver’s, companies going out of business and then not paying the driver’s what they are owed, etc etc it’s an on going epidemic
Zoltan says
This is commonly discussed on trucking forums people need to stay informed
BASEBALLbat says
I’m waiting until they investigate truckstops, and how they are able to legally charge 5 times normal cost on shelf items in their stores. And how they can keep selling spoiled food items and expired goods to truckers.
They make a killing selling drivers crap, and no one even looks.😎
Stevester says
Dude, what planet are you living on??? That’s why tjey call them convienence stores. There are non-truckstop convienence stores who do this too. Its their business. You don’t have to buy from them, stop at a Wal-Mart or go while on your home time. Either way, no excuse! As far as spoiled or out of date items, it happens everywhere. Grocery, quick marts, Wal-Mart, etc. You get the point. That can fall on vendors, poor store owners or a mistake where they miss something not rotated out properly. So, when buying something PAY ATTENTION. Dates are on many items if not, pay attention to the product. If you are buying candy and notice advertising for a movie you knows on DVD FOR A YEAR then most likely it’s OLD!!! You must be one of them drivers who drive 90, run people off the road and give the rest of us a bad name because you have NO ability to think! Smh…
BASEBALLbat says
No offense, but most of those stores are a total pain to get into. Not to mention, some of us like to stay out longer then 7-10 days at a time so we can make a little money. Even though they usually just put you on the crap runs because they know you need the money.😂😂😂
Either way, the efforts you make to save a little here and there can cost you big, and most of the time isn’t worth it. Big hats off to the know-it-all desk jockeys out there though. Without them, we’d all be lost. 😉
RaginBull69 says
Ain’t that the truth!!
Archie silva says
Well I didn’t have money to go to dealer and put down on a new truck, so I leased one..was it rough?? Not really!!! A guy named Hawkeye got me through it successfully, and now I have purchased 3 trucks from lease the lease to own program. Like Hawkeye says” if you want to be a stearing wheeel holder DO NOT LEASE!!! But if you want to be a businessman first and trucker secondary then he will get u there.!!
Victor says
Money. When noone is looking and when the hype is gone the bottom line wins.. transportation is first division of cost cutting…. i haul fuel “oh dont fill past the 90% fill capacity be safe” … when prices change ” oh its ok it will fit” .. inderectly telling us to jam the tanks…
No it diesnt affect my pay but it shows how they bend you to maximize profit..
Mike Stewart says
This story has to be bullshit! All one driver has to do is call DOT and report them. Call the local police and report a kidnapping because they were not allowed to leave.
Please….find something worth reporting! This kind of crap doesn’t exist!
JAMES says
Things like this are the cause of workplace violence.
Joe says
Try checking out Tennessee Steel Haulers they charge you 3 % for them to maintain offices and keep their restrooms clean, then they turn around and remodel break room. When the drivers are not even there. And truck payments are 1500 a week.
jimac says
“It’s a trap” a Lease Purchase contract is setup in favor of the company. They advertised like it’s a good deal, then use the old bait and switch!
RaginBull69 says
You got to be stupid as hell if you stay with a company like that! Lease purchase is not worth it. I did one time, never again!!! I rather stick to being company driver!
Dale says
Why didn’t they mention the names of these carriers. I leased on with Werner after my first full year and it worked exactly as they said. Mileage was off by about 150 a week but still max pay into maintenance account and truck was paid down to 6,000 in less than 18 months then called my bank and paid it off. Started looking for better paying job after the refi was completed. So at least at Werner it does work great.
Wingedgoblin says
Those senaters that contacted the companies should have insisted on them quit charging drivers for loading and unloading their own freight hire. The lumpers put them on a payroll and get your stuff off my truck any lease purchase thru a company you are gonna get screwed some how or other
Ward says
All company’s do this . Some are just better theives than others . Every single company lies . Cheats and steals fro there employees . Agrue all you want . But this is a given fact . We drivers choose to live with this fact . Each for there own reasons
James says
There is no one who cares to change any working conditions drivers have to deal with. You can cry and complain all you want. Go into incredible debt, claim bankruptcy, lose your wife, kids, divorce, end up homeless–no one cares. In contrast, all the big companies we serve have politicians and lobbyists wrapped around their greedy fingers–and they’re on speed dial. And until we have politicians who truly care to have a conversation with drivers, and change the working conditions, we will remain the last frontier in America’s largest workforce to be taken advantage of–even if it means Americans being replaced with foreigners, or driverless trucks.
Barney says
Exactly!!
Joe Velaz says
I am and have been a CDL holder since 1980. I became owner/Op. in 1997 by buying my own Truck and leasing it with a major Co. out of Oklahoma. By 1998 was getting .92 cents per mile, loaded/empty. After all expenses I was getting avrg.of 1,500.00 x week Net. (Those were the “Good Ol days”) Then companies “cooked up” the “Lease a Truck” “thing”. Thousands of drivers got sucked into it. (I managed to talk to hundreds of drivers) They even let me read their Lease Contracts. Almost 90% of them had Bad Credit, but companies did not care) After a simple “”math”” excercise I proved to them that they were being taken on a “Ride” but most of them did Not get it. I kept in touch with almost 350 drivers, All of them ended up loosing their trucks and still were “hooked” for monies even after the lease was terminated and taken to Civil court. Finally lots of them got hit so bad that became company drivers. There were lots of different circumstances but most stories ended up bad for every driver and good for the companies that hooked other drivers, starting the Cycle once more. The trucks were rolling and that was their intended outcome. The main thing noted was that most drivers did not have a clue about “the trucking bussiness”. Finally to all of those “Lessees”, before you “plant” your John Doe on a Lease, Show it to a Financial advisor and possibly a Lawyer and you will Not be signing once you learn All the details really involved.
Neil says
As a long haul truck driver.
fleecing anything is a bad idea.
You don’t own it you just pay to use it. Like renting you don’t own it.
If you want more stress buy or fleece a brand new truck without warranty or buy a truck that has been worked for 3 years should be worth 20k with a rebuilt engine.
It’s cheaper to rebuild a truck then to buy it new.
BASEBALLbat says
Never lease from a company. They always stick you on short runs and you never see a honest paycheck. After saying that, there will be some office manager telling everyone about how he has been driving 120years and has leased 30 trucks from his favorite company and never had a problem. 🤔
Ron Allely says
Robert Walters, steering wheel holders my ass. We have to adhere to The Hours of Service and all the laws and rules of the road like all the other women and men truck drivers. We also put up with the idiot drivers our there. Just because you like being a geer hammer, don’t run us down because we drive automatic trucks.
mousekiller says
Not all carriers are the bad guys. I talked to a man that owns a trucking company . he will buy a new truck. try to keep the same driver in it if he can and when it is paid off after 4 years will lease it to a driver. He either leases it to a current driver or r trade it on another new one. So what he does is pay off company equipment then the lease driver is paying off again only in the drivers name. He finances it and is very reasonable in assuring his drivers have consistent work.
Sam says
I did that in 1984 with a company called Midwestern Dist In Ft Scott. It is was called Dollar down program. It was a joke. Been a Teamster the last 25 years and it’s night and day with these other companies. You drivers don’t know what your missing. People that bad rap a union jealous
Steve Kassa says
Hey company drivers need to be compensated. If we are out here driving earning money for a company we need to compensated well.
Erma says
It is the same on the east coast.
Mack says
I never picked cotton ….. trucking industry – cotton plantations in the modern era. Low pay , low low low pay.
Jeremy says
The “never ,never lease”programs(never own anything,never make any money)have plagued the transportation industry for decades,now.Let’s face it,truckers in general aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to sound business practice.There was a time when free trucking industry publications dedicated entire pages outlining everything a trucker needed to know before signing one of these crappy ‘never,never lease’ deals with a trucking company. They broke it all down to the mile.This information was what kept me from ever buying into the owner /operator option.
There is no such thing as a good owner/operator deal,anymore.That all went extinct in the mid 1980’s. Do yourself a favour and refrain from getting sucked into the ‘never,never’lease program.Drive company trucks.There is no financial advantage to being an owner/operator.
richard says
I just work for shadi trucking company that tried keeping me hostage in a truck they were very unsafe.didnt care about me or my health . Would not get me home to see a doctor. And I was a company driver
Silverspur says
Why could these drivers not work as company drivers for one of the megacarriers until they saved enough to buy a truck?
They should have gone to a lawyer for help with reading and understanding a lease. They can even get online legal help.
CDL holders are supposed to have a working knowledge of the english language. How did they pass the CDL test if they can’t read? Did someone at the DMV read them the questions? Jerry Brown probably did.
Sorry they got ripped. We all learn from mistakes, and sometimes you have to be the mistake.
craw says
Very good Silverspur. Many drivers jump in as Owner Operators with very little knowledge (if any) of business, much less what it takes to operate a truck to make profit.
I too wonder if they were legal residents and if they speak and read English.
Paul Logan says
I went to work for large company. They offered me a LTO. Since they could not answer my questions, I told them NO.
1 How is IFTA done?
I don’t know. In 2016 I paid something like $32 for the year
2 Is it truly NO FORCED?
Unless we need you to do something that does not pay you Shit.
3 The payment is What?$590 week,4.5 years
4 How much is the insurance? $190 week
No thank you for the screw you lease.
William L says
My comment is awaiting moderation AKA censorship I use the f bomb so I’m sure it will not appear so let me do it again without the off-time yes that is so very true CR England beat us up in a similar manner doing the same thing when I got my start 9 years ago the Mormon Mafia AKA CR England