Trucking in North America vs around the world

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  1. 98989

    98989 Road Train Member

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    that is 26mt crane, orange scania from video have 12mt, and about half of its price.
    it depends on what do you do, that white truck is for power company, they will use it to drill holes with auger, raise piles, drive material for foundation, there is a demountable turn table and trailer to transport of piles.
    in recent 10years crane size is increasing a lot

    i remember that before 23-24years ago there were just handful of trucks with such crane size in city, today you can find them on every step. cranes become lighter and easier to work with, projects demand larger and larger cranes. you can find twice larger and longer cranes on tipper trucks as well. this crane weight about 7700lbs
     
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  3. daf105paccar

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    Around here towns have cranes but short ones.
    Lifting pallets and a bucket for earthworks.
     
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    I think the number of trucks sold with crane in % of the total trucks sales is much higher in europe than in north america.
    For example if I rent a generator that is delivered to the work site it's always coming on a truck with a crane and the truck driver will unload it. In north america the same generator comes on a flatbed truck and the customer is expected to have a wheel loader or forklift at site to do the unloading.

    In Scandinavia the sales of 2 axle trucks with crane and 3 side tipper body has decreased a lot as most companies buy a 3 axle truck with hook loader and maybe a crane.
     
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    it is always big doubt how big crane should be
    -you always need size larger and longer crane, i have never met someone who said this crane is enough
    -larger crane is more expensive to buy, to maintain and repair of course
    -larger crane is heavier and thereby reduce payload
    -larger crane will change driving behaviour, if it is on front than you lose traction and lot more maintenance on front end
    -if front is too heavy you might need AWD in order to get reasonable offroad capabilities, this reduce payload even more, cost more, require huge expenses to repair when get worn, use more fuel.
    -you can get hydraulic front drive, which is fuel efficient, leave same driving characteristics, lighter than conventional AWD but also more complex
    -when crane become large enough, than you have problem with stability, this means you need second pair of legs, that bring additional cost and weight
    -when you have second pair of legs whole subframe must be rigid (and heavy), otherwise second pair dont make much sense, this make truck not real driving machine but rather work machine, you can use longer and heavier truck(with more axles) to compensate this second pair of legs.
    -in this case extra axle might be problem to getting into places
    -than it is question where do you want crane, behind of cab limits its possibilities by working angle and you need much larger crane for same work, you cant access load on trailer, must unhook it.
    -crane on end of body makes tipper truck not possible to unload on back, limit length of load
    -there is possibility of detachable crane

    this is also possible
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    here amount of 2axle trucks with crane is decreasing as trucks are getting heavier, especially on front (means you might need AWD), need for larger cranes is increasing and there is more and more weight inspection.
    now there is a lot of 3axle crane trucks.
    some also buy 8x4 tridem, we dont have wheelbase length things like you (6,4m) so they can be shortest wb.

    hookloader for what kind of jobs?
    is there lot of 3way cablelift like in DK?
     
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    Here is the typical route for us here. The truck is s T800 with 42" modular sleeper, Cummins ISX 400 with 1450 lb.ft torque, RTO 14715 15 speed transmission and 4.30 final reduction. The GVW on that trip was near 52.000 kg (114640 lb).

     
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    respect for her, working in one of most difficult type of truck work. also she is very qute.
     
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    @AModelCat @Cat sdp do you have any comment?

    here whatever type of tipper truck it is, it always has spring suspension, just different ratings (7).
    at MB weakest is hard 44k, (hard means you can count about 15% extra capacity), maximum is hard 79,4k

    i saw that in brazil MB offer tuftrac suspension from FL with rubber central bearing instead of classic balanse bogie. it is even lighter than air suspension
     
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    I'd say most dump trucks are running Neway air ride out this way. Nobody wants a truck with walking beam anymore.

    Have you seen the air over walking beam setups? They replace the solid, spring or rubber block compoments with air bags. You get the cushion of air ride but the axle travel benefit of walking beams. Never seen it in real life, can't comment if they're any good.
     
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