Im a flatbed driver, have booked many spot loads. hit my BS threshold at current company and have found a new and better seat offer at a better company. But as always when a big change is here i step back and look around, weigh things out, i am kinda sick of the road. So i take a glance at "broker jobs" thinking hey, a year of being on the other side of the loadboard could be very good for my maybe future trucking company, and my finances are ok to get by on a meager wage. Be great to spend a while at home through this bloodbath on spot rates, and im missing the best years with the kids. Hmm.
"Freight broker jobs". Search.
First one i see is tallgrass.. I hauled a load or two for them so i know theyre real. Then logistics dynamics out of amherst NY. Razzle dazzle website but theyre on the top 40 list of collections offenders with baxter bailey so i know everything they say is BS.
Thereafter a bunch of no name brokerages, one even mentions theyre a startup in their list of promises. But theyre all wanting you as an applicant to have one or two years experience and your "book of sales" to apply. I am taking this to mean that they want you as an indendant broker to come into their company and bring/share YOUR freight contacts for them to get a 30% commission out of? Is that seriously the deal? I know freight is slimy but i didnt think anyone was that stupid. Hopefully im wrong.
What are they saying when the write "asset based" or "non asset based"? Theyve got trucks or not? "Agent model" ?
What are the telltale signs of bottomfeeder company from a brokers perspective? I see 1099 alot so thats obvious.
Brokers decode this for me please
Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by FoolsErrand, Apr 18, 2020.
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So - Asset based means they also have trucks. Agent model is basically you're running your book under their MC, with their logistical backing. Some of them let you hire people to support your operations. You give them a percentage for the name, insurance, support, etc.
As far as bottom feeders- it can be hard to weed them out, short of actually talking to them. I'd avoid anything that smells like start up, or has huge promises. It's also worth looking at their pay models. Do they pay percentage in commission, and if so- what does that look like? Is it a fixed salary? Half and half? Ask what their sales/margins look like. You can generally get a pretty good idea of how healthy of a company they are based on that. And if they don't tell you about that, then that's a thing to be concerned with.
Bottom line, it's pretty similar to taking any other job. Google reviews can tell you a lot, and if you've got questions, ping me here.SteveScott, brian991219, Dave_in_AZ and 3 others Thank this. -
Thanks bud, i appreciate it!
Im a wheeler dealer kinda guy and was great at equipment export, im sure id do well as a broker in time but it sounds like a slow starting over process at this time. -
Be very VERY careful about going to a broker!
They ALL are going to want you to have a contact list (or "book of sales") before you come in. That is your value to a brokerage firm, your contacts and relationships already established with a customer base, and your reputation.
HOWEVER!! A shady, or somewhat less than honest brokerage house, is gonna flat out steal that list, destroy YOUR reputation, and leave you on the street to starve if possible. And good luck separating the good from the bad.
My recommendation: Look into being a load planner or dispatcher for a good, well established carrier with their own customers. I did it with Builders Transportation for a while, and boy howdy was it an eye opening experience about how Operations works! Plus, it was nice working as part of a team to keep the trucks moving rather than the cutthroat, dog eat dog world of being a broker.
Besides, working as a broker won't really give you any experience or knowledge for running your own carrier. There's a lot more than just finding loads to being a trucking company. Time in office working with a successful Operations team, however, will give you an unprecedented look at how all the different pieces fit and work together.Dale thompson, FoolsErrand and stuckinthemud Thank this. -
Thats exactly what i expected the sales books scheme to be, just phishing for any way to get another guys hard earned contacts for free. If i had freight id be filing a broker MC and buying a bond.. No way id go run over to some wizzbang startup "3pl" in the bronx or chicago to share it.
Due to being short handed, i was a main member of the "operations team" from the driver seat at the tiny company i think im leaving. But my wants and the owners are too different to reconcile and his wages are too low to cancel out my wants.brsims Thanks this. -
I don't think that them requiring you to have a book is a scheme.
There are businesses that are like that that for you to be hired you need to have a book. It's not exactly the same but even in hair dressing hairdressers get hired because they have a book of people they bring business into the salon.
And that's really the idea of it is that you have a book of people so you go to work somewhere and you make them money and you make money with them. Your book grows, their clientele grows, and everyone makes money together. Those are your people and only you deal with them. And even if they don't pay their bill for some reason or something like that you go deal with it.
I'm sure that if you were to sign up with someone that there would be agreements and paperwork to sign to make sure that your customers would stay your own customers. If you work anywhere reputable I don't think that is an issue.
Really if you go to work somewhere and you don't have any business to bring with you, they are basically taking a chance on you because you are unproven. You really have no value to them at that point.
No one is stopping you from getting your broker authority if that's what you want. I don't know what the insurance cost is aside from the bond, but you're going to end up doing basically the same thing anyway. Spending 6 months to year chasing down all kinds of people that are probably mostly going to say no to begin to have an income.
It's like trucking. It's not mandatory to work for someone else. It is usually better to watch how someone else runs their business and you can learn the ropes, but it's not mandatory.FoolsErrand Thanks this. -
They want you to bring your customers, but will want you to sign a 1 year non compete agreement so you can’t work as a broker for a year
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Well you can call it a scheme or not a scheme,but once go to work for them you have your own book you sign a four or five page contract that puts a fence around you and you will not leave there with your book ever. you just become one of the herd after a while. They entice small brokers who may not have enough cash on hand to come to work for them. but when you leave you will leave with nothing.
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It's pretty common that brokers that are hiring for experience want you to bring your own book. But you can tell how some will treat you, and it, versus others.
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Thanks for the info guys.
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