This is simply because we have developed a very complicated and interwoven modern society... If society were to suddenly and rapidly dissolve, or even severely devolve... How many would survive? And what would be the biggest difference between the majority of those that survive and those that dont? It would quite literally become sink or swim, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog... Those who can, do... Those who can't, die.
To much of society have come to depend on others in EVERY aspect of life. Some day that will be very detrimental to the human population. I for one, will not allow myself or my family to be amoung those who can't, or don't know how, to provide for ourselves if and when necessary.
Ughmm, the ELD measures on/off work hours ..
Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by skipgears, Nov 13, 2020.
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Good sir, I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should never always fallback on the "system". We need to teach our kids survival skills and for some to become hunters. I'm a proponent for teaching skills that lead to self-sustainability. The supermarket has made us lazy, indeed. But that should not deter us from forming a strong nation-wide union to battle against opposing forces. In our modern days that would be business and the interest of the lite and their respective corporations. They've been keeping more for themselves and giving less to everyone else for the last 40 years. If you know of a way to reverse that trend without a formal national union strike, then I'd really like to hear it.
But yes, I do realize there is still money to be made, however is specialized and certain sectors. Oil, gas, hazmat, wide-load, by percentage, etc etc.. I get it. But I'm speaking for the average dry-van hauler with often minimal experience. We can't be abusing them simply because they're not "specialized". It don't make sense in my view to subjugate the majority to poverty for the benefit of the few.Cattleman84 Thanks this. -
I too agree that a vast majority of drivers in this industry today are horribly taken advantage of and/or abused by carriers. Whether those carriers are purely fly by night bottom feeders, or the biggest of the megas that change drivers more than thier underwear. But ultimately it was the drivers that let it get to that point. Drivers should have said "Enough is enough!" long ago, before it became the problem it is today.
Could a union help with this? Possibly, but I also think that a union could possibly hurt those that already do very well in this industry.
It's kinda like the whole philosophy that "The Gov. needs to protect us from ourselves"... I think that is such BS. Like wise, I feel that, if one is willing to let a carrier take advantage of them... Then thats thier problem, not mine. Dont make me endure/suffer a change, that I didnt need in the first place, just so you can be taken advantage of less easily.skipgears Thanks this. -
In no way and by no method should any union hurt an advantageous position of labor. Yet, I do understand that unions can get corrupted and plagued by their own forces of bureaucracy. As I mentioned earlier, a union is not a perfect beast, but with proper adjudication and diligent pragmatic assertions, those problems can be overcome. We need good men for this. Quality honorable folks.
I believe the problem of drivers not standing up to announce 'enough is enough', is of course by the lack of unionship. We've become so fragmented and at the same time jaded, that we've lost our unity. And that's exactly what the forces we battle rely on to keep us working on the cheap. Divide and conquer. At the same time the introduction of foreign labor has further segmented us. Business is in bed with government, from what I understand that's what they call Fascism. Labor is segmented and powerless, we now get told what to do, else we starve. Isn't that slavery? Hmm, perhaps not a direct form of it, but if only one side dictates the terms then we're not too far off from them bounding us is chains.
Now, I understand your dilemma of having a good contract and fear of losing it because of some union. But now imagine your sector of work dries up and you must return to dry-van OTR, and now what, now you're back in the slave pool again. So, we need to keep an objective view of our industry to ensure it serves everyone fairly. And yes, that's not always easy, but we should most definitely try.
The problem is wide and complex, indeed.Cattleman84 Thanks this. -
Hr rate pay has worked well in Europe for 100yrs or so. Clock in to eld till clocked out pay ,, the sit and wait , hrs to unload culture will end as companies will demand it especially the big meat in a seat company. I often hear blah coffee shop driver ,blah drivers sleeping instead of working from other drivers! .This is up to management to manage same as in Europe., it’s time for a change. James
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Indeed, drivers that would abuse hourly pay via ELD would need to be financially penalized, and if not corrected then fired. We can't have abuse coming from our end either. The rules of engagement must be fair and integral on both sides. If you're on the clock to drive, then you should be driving. End of discussion.
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I am not sure that is the case. What about folks who work in a camp setting? They get paid for the 12-14 hrs they work, but are not paid for their off-duty or non-working time - and they are away from home in an employment environment.
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Don't they get like $300+ per day pay or something, I forget now. So all their camp sleep time is substantiated by the high pay rate.
Trucking can do same thing. $35/hr for each hour of driving. 11x35=$385. -
Reasonable employers do pay a per diem and/or higher compensation for camp/remote/away employment. There are a few (very few) trucking carriers that do. The only ones I know of are in the oilfield/heavy haul sectors and they pay drivers hourly as well.
We paid our truck drivers higher-than-market percentage compensation (with add-ons for waiting, breakdown, etc.). We paid non-driver employees a per diem (oilfield and construction) and I have worked for employers that paid a base rate with a multiplier applied (variable depending on location/hazard).skipgears Thanks this. -
^ yah, so I'm not certain exactly why is OTR not considered a "camp/remote/away" employment. As of course, it is. But it pays a crap rate by the mile. Don't get wrong, if the rate was closer to .85 cents it'd also make sense, but at .48 or .50 that they're forking out now is ridiculous. So we need to re-classify OTR as part of labor that's also hazardous and taxing. Much as the oil field and camp stuff. I hope I'm making sense. Who's ready to riot?
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