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Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Don't get me wrong here. I know where the blame is. I just wanted it to be known, that since they are not perfect, how would they like a 3 strike policy. After all, if they forgot to dot the I's on the report, someone could get killed.
     
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  3. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    To take your points a wee bit further.

    99% of gooberment employees have so bought into the gooberment brain washing they are completely unable to see the other side of the coin. Its a requirement to keep their cushy gooberment yob.

    I haven't decided if politicians actually believe their own lines of bull #### or just intentionally #### over all of us. When bull #### ideas go thru a politician's head we get bull #### laws here on the ground.


    CSA2010 any one??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
     
  4. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    IMHO employers have long neglected their responsibility and failed to train the drivers as required by the FMCSR.

    Drviers don't have to know every Part of the FMCSR, they have to know the portions that are relevant to their job, i.e. Portions of Parts:

    1. 382 D & A testing, don't refuse to test and show up as required

    2. 383 CDLs, report any conviction to your home state and your employer; notify your employer of any suspension or revocation within 24 hours; and ensure you have the required endorsement

    3. 390 General; don't falsify or modify any records

    4. 391 DQ; don't operate without a current medical

    5. 392 Driving; make sure your truck is safe, stop for railroad crossings when placarded, observe local laws, and don't transport unauthorized passengers

    6. 393 Equipment; make sure your vehicle meets the equipment standards

    7. 395 HOS; Every driver should know this

    8. 396 Maintenance; do the DVIR, make sure vehicle is safe

    9. 397 HM Loads; don't park within 5 feet of a highway with explosives, make sure your vehicle is secure when transporting Division 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 explosives

    There are people with Masters Degrees working as bus boys. The Consititution guarantees every one "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness;" it does not guarantee happiness. The short of it? Want more money? Find a better job. :biggrin_2551:

    I concur.

    Be careful about assuming, it can make an ### of you. Enforcement history is counted for six years (not 15.)

    I see everyone took the heat treated receipt and ran away with it going for the Hail Mary.

    We all make mistakes and as adults we are supposed to learn from our mistakes. If drivers cannot spend $3.99 and purchase a clip board or acquire a box of yellow envelopes to keep their important documents then I don't know what to tell you.

    I drove for four years, I cannot recall ever loosing a BOL or any other document that affected my pay check. Many carriers will not pay a driver until a signed BOL is provided proving the load was delivered. I worked for an O/O that gave me $600 cash before I left on every trip. Provided I gave him legitimate receipts for fuel purchases and repairs the cash advance was not deducted from my pay, any unaccounted for funds from the $600 were treated as a cash advance an deducted from my paycheck. I have no pity for irresponsible people.

    Yes, but you may only drive for 11 hours for each 10 hours off-duty and not drive after the 14th consecutive hour of being on-duty while driving.

    As mentioned enforcement is usually taken for "critical" and "acute" violations as listed in Part 385 Appendix B.

    Most drivers will write in "24" regardless of what the hours for each line total. I have seen drivers write:

    1. = 2.5
    2. = 8
    3. = 10
    4. = 2

    Actual Total = 24.5

    Driver's Total = 24

    I've seen many varions on the above theme. When added separately Lines 1, 2, 3, and 4 total one number; but the driver wrote 24 hours for the day.

    Merry Christmas, my thoughts and prayers to the Arrow drivers left high and dry when Arrow closed their doors.

    Be safe.
     
  5. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Done so, because it's a bigger issue than you realize. It's not a simple "heat treated" issue. It does not require direct heat.

    I can put it in that envelope...and 2 more just like it. It doesn't prevent the heat from affecting the paper.

    Fall in the floorboard...there's heat. It's difficult to avoid heat...in a truck.

    Why not cut this at the root, instead of the stem? And the enforcing agency require the "documentation" provider aka "the government" to get better paper.

    Simple answer.... It's easier to fine a driver/company for this short coming. Than it is to explain to the American tax payer WHY the Federal Government is being fined by one of it's own agencies.

    I may have misplaced them for a short time. But I've never lost one.

    And I'll never admit to being perfect. That would mean admitting I'm sleeping with at least 3 gay lawyers, 2 gay law enforcement officers and 3 bi-sexual judges. And at least one child molesting politition.

    You went to all that trouble....and still didn't answer my question. What if I left the "24" off the log altogether? Which I have been known to do. But I double and triple check lines 1-4.

    You won't find more OR less than 24 hours per day on my logs. Although you may find a log that hasn't been totalled. ....Line 5

    We can sit here and make excuses as to WHY the truck driver and his company should take every precaution to prevent these issues. When the real issue is the people in charge taking advantage of a flawed system THEY put in place.

    When the game is rigged, there can only be one winner at the end of the day. The people who cheated first, or the ones who cheated last.
     
  6. JustSonny

    JustSonny Big Dummy

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    Good lord willing and the creek don't rise, I'll retire my wannabe hat and put on a newbie hat next fall, just after CSA 2010 leaves the "operational model" phase and goes full-bore. I'm concerned, more than ever now, about going to a company whose SFD is "Satisfactory" and likely to stay that way. Will a company's SFD be public knowledge, i.e, will I have access to that information? And another question before I mosey on.....Aren't professional, safe drivers, who have stayed with a marginally safe company, in jeopardy of losing their job, through no fault of their own, if their company receives an "Unfit" label and is put out of operation by FMCSA?
     
  7. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I will answer mostly yes, you will be able to find these things out, but you need to be aware of how the other drivers in the company are doing. I want a different situation because of scofflaw drivers, but different is hard to come by in the present economic climate. I hate to take a pay cut and end up somewhere possibly worse.

    Take care of doing it right yourself first, you are the one that has to live with your actions. If going into this new, I would be looking to go to a small to midsized carrier adopting EOBRs to protect a good reputation for safety consciousness.
     
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  8. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    That's probably the best advice that could be given to a new driver at this time.

    There's just too much at stake with CSA 2010.

    And while we all talk a good game. The end result and punishment will be handed out by the enforcers. A simple unintended, but overlooked mistake will cost a "good" driver thousands of dollars to recover from.

    If anyone doubts this. Simply find the nearest person in your neighborhood that made a simple honest mistake on their tax returns.

    When a government agency comes after you...you better have the smarts or enough money to hire the smarts. Win or lose, you better have money.
     
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  9. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    2010 just means run legal all the time... Sucks but that is the way it is...
     
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  10. Yatista

    Yatista Medium Load Member

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    CSA 2010 is a revenue reduction conspiracy camoflaged as new regulation on the drivers and carriers. In the end revenue from violations will be reduced. The drivers and carriers who were paying them will be asking "fries with that?".:biggrin_25523:
     
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  11. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Are you saying you only transport government freight? The DOT does not provide shippers with BOLs. The DOT does not regulate freight shippers. The DOT only regulates HM shippers in the sense the HM must be properly prepared and communicated.



    Government agencies are excepted from regulatory oversight except when the ship HM by a commercial carrier. Government agencies that ship HM by a commercial carrier must comply with the HMR.



    Let’s review:



    Not simple enough for you? There is no Line 5, there is only a “Total Hours” line. The entry is required:



    If you didn’t total the hours you would be in violation.



    The system works, it is the driver that neglected to fill out the log with the required information. The log has the blanks labeled all the driver has to do is fill in the blanks.

    In my four years driving I was placed OOS once and I was penalized once. It’s was your choice to take the job, no one twisted your arm. If you don’t like the rules move on.



    There are no new rules; CSA2010 is using the existing rules that have been in effect for years. CSA2010 will hold the driver accountable for their mistakes and hold an employer accountable for hiring or using irresponsible drivers.

    Be safe.
     
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