Hazmat placarding

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by islandboy671, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    I have never heard of a driver testing the load to see if it's flammable or combustible. Besides you should have a MSDS and that will tell you what it is. If you don't I suggest you get one from someone because you do need it. The ship is the shipper and by law they are required to have the paperwork. Even if it's Navy or Coast Guard.

    I don't know why your company would consider diesel and water a hazwaste when you could sell it back to any refinery as transmix. Any way you look at it bunker fuel is way down the list on combustibility. In fact it takes more to light bunker fuel than diesel. You can find what you need in the Hazardous Materials Compliance Pocketbook as far as placards go and the requirements for shipping.
     
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  3. islandboy671

    islandboy671 Bobtail Member

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    I wasn't aware oily water needed or even has an msds for it. I'm not sure you understand what I do. A bilge tank on the ship is pretty much like a drain pan. All waste water go here. Except for human waste.

    If you go back to my question, I was asking what is the flash point that's makes the load a hazaradous one. I kinda needed a refresher and jeepers was happy to give me the answer. DONE!!

    There are only a few places we can dispose oily water at. Here in the bay area, its either evergreen or riverbank. The former only accepts oily water with 85% water anything less has to go to the latter. How is it possible to sell this back when its mixed with everything else? A ship has more than one bilge tank. Sometimes its mostly water with light oil, sometimes its sludge and a real pain to load if not heated. I see your hauling gas so you know all dot requirements. We don't haul too much hazardous waste requiring placarding. I take a sample when I'm done to figure out what manifest will be used either a non-haz or a haz waste. You can. smell it if it has diesel in it. NOW, at what point is this a flamable liquid. Please enlighten me again.
     
  4. Duke

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    I may be wrong,but I don't think the flashpoint makes a difference. I believe that hazardous waste with a mixture of products is listed with the main product as the type of waste. In other words... watered down diesel would be concidered Liquid Hazardous Waste UN 1202. Just like Floor Dry soaked in diesel fuel would be Solid Hazardous Waste UN 1202. I have hauled Waste Acetone that was reclaimed after using it to clean the equiptment from a factory... mixed with paint, grease, and other stuff. It was Liquid Hazardous Waste UN 1090.

    Just placard it right... Flamable liquids or Flamable soilds!

    Duke
     
  5. GasHauler

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    I think you're hanging yourself out to dry if you transport over the highways. There's more to know than just placard a load. You have to have proper shipping papers even if it's a waste NO MATTER where it comes from. You as a driver must be trained by the requirements in CFR49 §172.704 and your truck must meet standards also. On top of a bunch of other requirements that you as a driver must know before you can except a load of hazardous material or waste. I'll suggest again that you get a copy of the pocketbook and a copy of the CFR49 parts 100-177.

    As far as diesel and water goes every pipeline in the country has water in the diesel when it's shipped to a tank farm. They save it until they have a truck load and then send it back to the refinery as transmix. Even if you don't get that much money for it it's still cheaper than a waste.
     
  6. phroziac

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    I agree with gashauler here. If you get stopped you're going to get some big fines and a lot of points when CSA 2010 rolls around. You can find everything thats in the pocket book from fmcsa.gov, and it sounds like you're going to have to educate your "shippers" (they are considered shippers even if theyre just ships...) or just do the paperwork yourself. Maybe its not your job but its not mine to make a BOL either but ive had to do it before...
     
  7. islandboy671

    islandboy671 Bobtail Member

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    Sorry but I couldn't pm you back. Still new.
    I appreciate the offer but I have all the books already. Do you really think im going to haul haz with out the proper certs? I'm not losing my license for stupidity.

    I've been dragging tanker and have experience hauling hazardous materials.
    You yourself are telling me to placard as a haz waste. If I am required to placard, What's the proper shipping name for oily water?
    . What's the difference from me and the. guy pumping used oil at the local oil changer say clean harbor or saftykleen? He has a waste manifest, why isn't he placarding. Just because you have a hazardous waste doesn't mean it requires placarding.

    So why would I have to placard if you don't think my load will flash? Already the shipping description is" Non-rcra hazardous waste liquid(oily water)"
    What makes it a flamable liquid? From what you and gas guy is telling me, I have to placard regardless. But I thought its just as illegal to placard when not required. Like I tried to explain I have no idea my load is flamable till I get to offload facility and my load is rejected due to low flash. At that point, it would be noted on the manifest and so now I will be required to placard properly and manifest corrected with proper shipping name. Done! But the whole thing is I drove it from the port to the o f not knowing its a flamable liquid. Yes, I did pull a sample but I only test for water content. That determines what manifest and where its going

    I know what I'm doing really. It all goes back to my question that started this: at what point does the load become flamable? I forgot what the flash point was and jeepers linked me to the info. I got it now. Even saved it on my phone. You and guy still have not answered that question. But jeepers did already.

    So what is your experience with hazardous mat/waste? Its easy to agree with someone and throw info out there like csa2010 is gonna get me. But I'm on here to ask a question and got the answer. I am not convinced you and guy understand what I am saying though. This is California. Haz regs are pretty strict here. Check the ca dept of toxic substances for more info. THANKS AN I DO APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER. Be safe out there
     
  8. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    Where is diesel bear when you need him! Quick, someone hit the diesel bear light!
     
  9. Roadmedic

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    He is doing a level 1.

    You know he has to work sometime.:biggrin_255:
     
  10. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    Shoot I thought he lived on this forum! LOLOL:biggrin_2559:
     
  11. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    The book i offered is not an FMCSA published item. And you were the one that asked the question. I guess you didn't really want to know. Do whatever you want.
     
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