Loaded miles

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  1. Wasted Thyme

    Wasted Thyme Road Train Member

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    Companies say actual OR hub miles. When you are getting hired. So it's rather funny. How many people are saying. "They do it to screw you." It's no different than an office job. Saying salary vs hourly. You know what the deal is before you go.

    That said. Hub miles are typically center of zip code to center of zip code. Straight line as the crow flies. Which can short you. If your pick up/delivery are on the far sides of the zips. Or benefit you if on the close sides.

    Either way. You know what is going on. When you hire on. There's no game being played.
     
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  3. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    Working off the load boards, most loads are posted with very accurate miles. The contract will also have accurate miles listed if any at all. I doubt any Companies are bidding loads using anything else than actual miles. This practice of paying short on miles, be it 3% or 10% is for the most part Companies manipulating Driver’s and O/O’s pay. Assuming the miles are always short. I often knock off miles by running 2 lane, resulting in the opposite effect. Especially now, with fuel being high. The exceptions are avoiding tolls. I’ll run further to avoid tolls, costing more fuel, still less overall cost.
     
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  4. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I used to run blanket wrap freight for North America Van Lines. They used Hhg miles. One time I had a load from Ft Worth to Phoenix that they had at @950 miles. When 1050 would have been closer to the real miles. Hhg route had you getting off of I 20 near Weatherford and running US 180 all the way into New Mexico. Then I 10 to Lordsburg. US 70to Globe then US 60 down into Phoenix. When I told them that I was going to be late because I was going to run the route they were paying me to run, they kicked in the extra miles.
    Hhg was pretty close before the late 50s when the Interstates started getting built. Not too close anymore.
     
  5. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    You have to look at a hubometer when you get there to get hub miles. Zip to Zip is book miles. Hub is the actual miles run.
     
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  6. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    That's the way it should be but it isn't.
    Lots of times the shortest route is illegal especially with today's equipment.
    HHG is assuming a 40ft trailer and 96in and 73000 lbs wide cause that's what they used when HHG was implemented.
    Practical miles is usually more accurate in today's world. I find something like google maps practical to be close most of the time.
     
  7. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    Hub miles is based on revolutions of the tire.
    What if the hubometer on the truck is the wrong 1 for the tire size?
    Believe me that game has been played before.
     
  8. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    My point was you’re not getting hub miles out of zip codes.
     
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  9. DRTDEVL

    DRTDEVL Road Train Member

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    We tested this theory out... had a few drivers write their odometer down for the week at every stop and compared it to the HHG mileage. Did it again a few months later, and a third time the following year.

    It was always +/- 1.5%. Anything greater over the long-term average means someone is monkeying with the pay.

    We did this after hearing over and over from drivers coming in that they were paid HHG before and it shorted them 10-20%. As it turns out, this just isn't so.
     
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  10. JolliRoger

    JolliRoger Road Train Member

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    I would, if they paid the miles I drove, the way I went, at the CPM I agreed to.
     
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