Thinking about team driving
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by jmarc77, Aug 30, 2022.
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I've got to say this post definitely makes me feel a little better about my current situation. I didn't mind the time with a trainer so much but the runs I did on my own were tough. It felt like a constant race against the clock with no one there to help. I even ran into some drivers from the same company at different shippers, none of whom were very friendly. I slept horribly at truck stops. The noise didn't bother me, I was more concerned about someone hitting me or messing with my truck. I got to shower once a week, and doing flatbed in the summer heat, a once a week shower is not very fun. I left it after a short period of time feeling really disappointed in myself and company but there was no way I was gonna keep doing this. I felt awful having just gone through all of this work to get my CDL and have it not work out.
Then I took that local job at Lowe's feeling iffy about it to begin with and once I got there and saw what a train wreck the whole operation was, there was no way I was wasting my time there.
Now I'm at a point where I'm not sure what I want to do. I have this CDL that I worked hard to get and now I've tried two jobs that haven't panned out. I'm not the kind of person to just quit without trying but I also will not waste my time with something I know isn't going to work. Its not the money that I care about, its that I want to do this for me.
Exactly. I can say a lot of negative things about the flatbed company I was with but they did teach load securement very well. I never worried about hauling coils.tscottme and pumpkinishere Thank this. -
Every flatbedder has his own system, his way of doing things. You did not develop a system.
1. Racing the Clock.
Start early, end early. On days where you have to load/unload, the goal isn’t maximum miles, it’s to get loaded and secured, and get parked early. The next day, the goal is maximum miles. Set all ETA’s accordingly.
2. Drivers at the same company that are Unfriendly. If anyone is going to stab you in the back, it’s them. You have been warned.
3. Losing Sleep Worrying about the Company Truck. Park strategically, where everyone around you can back straight in. Go get your shower. We do not worry about what we cannot control. If you stopped early and parked at a truck stop and didn’t get a shower, that’s your fault. Own it.
4. Local Job at Lowe’s. Sucky job. Nuff said.
5. Running team. One team mate is ALWAYS stronger. The stronger driver will have to do the majority of everything. That will build animosity between the drivers. Are you wanting to be the stronger teammate or the weaker?brian991219, jmarc77, Boondock and 2 others Thank this. -
It's true I never did get a system. I more or less just tried to do what my trainer did, which was run until you are out of hours. The company never really set any expectations for how long we should be running or how many miles we should be covering or how many loads we should be doing per week. So I just ran as much as I could for as long as I could. They pretty much had us load or unload every day. I'd drop my load from the day before first thing, then go pick up my next load and try to get as close to the drop point as possible for the next morning so I could repeat it the next day. Some days I'd do two loads in a day. There weren't many days where it was all driving. I would start as early as I could, unless I was restricted by a customer's hours, I tried to be on the road by 4 am.
I absolutely believe that drivers from the same company will be the first to stab you in the back. The company I worked for even had a (not so secret) secret rat program- if you called in another driver for an undersecured load, ugly tarp job, equipment violation or whatever it might be, and the company confirmed it, they'd give you a bonus, I don't know how much and I really don't care- I'm more interested in allies than rat money. Generally speaking I'm a social and friendly type of person so I guess it wasn't a shock, just sad to see how poorly other drivers treat each other.
Not taking care of myself, showering and eating right was my fault. I should've made time for it even if it slowed me down a bit. Sleeping at truck stops was probably an adjustment I just have to get used to. I slept fine at company terminals and at some of the consignees and shippers. Truck stops just felt like a 3 ringed circus. -
Man try to enjoy your job. Relax. Take it slow. Count your paychecks.
Find your groove and system. Park early. Eat well. Shower. Company truck gets damaged while in a proper place is not your problem. Get a Dashcam.
Your overthinking it. Slow down take a break for a weekjmarc77, TripleSix, Chinatown and 1 other person Thank this. -
Getting a shower and eating and getting rest are only important to you. Customers, mechanics, dispatchers, trainers are not building the tasks you need to do into their schedule. EVERYONE wants to use all available time for their one task. If you had a timer on your forehead showing how much time in the next 224 hours is not already taken up doing something, each person you deal with will plant to take 100% of that "unused time" plus 30% more. For some reason, everyone outside the truck thinks as long as they say "why don't you get something to eat or drink some coffee" they can waste as much of your time as is convenient for them. Don't be a nice and mild guy waiting for everyone to take their sweet time, ask how much longer? I always wanted a shower in the morning, which might not work for flatbed, I was always van or tanker. I got up 90-120 minutes before I started driving and got my shower early 4,5,6 am. The apps for the truck stops let you reserve a shower or see how long the shower line is. At that time of day it's rare to have to wait for a shower. MOST drivers are trying to get a shower in the late afternoon or early evening when they gate parked. There are long waits. My system worked for me. I had a way to wash up in the truck if I couldn't get a shower. I found I could get a shower every day or every other day using my system. I concentrated my fuel purchases at one chain of truck stops so I would buy enough fuel to get unlimited drinks/showers next month. It depends on what part of the country you run and where you can buy fuel. Truck stops are often short-handed so late night and early mornings they may only have one employee to do everything, which means cleaning showers is sometimes the last priority.
Nobody is going to give you a gold star for skipping showers or never eating and getting less sleep than you need so they can waste as much times as they want. Look after you own tasks, they look after theirs and never ask you for permission. Also don't ask Dispatchers to answer driving questions. They aren't drivers and they don't know how to do your job. It's easy when you are new to see the one person you talk to the most as some sort of authority are extra knowledgeable. They might be, but it's not likely they are more than a clerk who never pays attention when they drive and have never driven a big truck. My answer to almost any question is "let me run the numbers and I'll send you my ETA. No matter how desperate they or a customer are, your HOS and safety are more important. Nobody was hurrying when a customer took 5 hours to load you. None of the customers skipped lunches or showers, etc. Drive it like the cops are following you, even if the company will go out of business or Timmy won't get his heart transplant are whatever the excuse is. Nobody is going to protect your CDL but you. Good for you for standing up for safety with the Lowes job. If the dispatch was given to you late, you can't make up for their delay. They will all be happy to blame you for their delay if you put it in a ditch or get delayed for a ticket. Cover yourself. Also, don't eat like you are a hero every day. High BP and diabetes is what takes out many drivers. Eat just enough not to starve. Most of your day is sitting. Food is just fuel. -
Thanks. I've got a vacation planned next weekend, I'm going to take it easy for a week and when I get back I think I'm gonna shoot out some applications.
You know it's funny when you put it like that, I feel stupid for not thinking of it like that before. I guess I just sorta did what I saw my trainer doing, and the more I think about it, I think he had a few screws loose.
I never trusted my dispatcher, I couldn't count on him to give me the right address, I certainly wouldn't have asked him for any kind of driving advice.
Like I mentioned above, I have a vacation planned for a week from now, im going to take it easy for a week and when I get back I think I'm gonna shoot out some applications. I'm not married to flatbed, I'd do van or reefer. Might not be a bad thing to not have to chain and tarp in the winter.
I'm feeling a lot better now, thanks for your help and advice. Really appreciate it.homeskillet, Boondock and tscottme Thank this. -
OP,
Why are you so set on Flatbed specifically? Why not bump docks for a while and see if you like that instead?
As for creating a system...outside of this website, do you utilize anything else for development, learning, research, etc...?
I am a new Flatbed CDL driver but local and I thought I wanted to do OTR, but I can't grasp getting that messy and sweaty all the time and then having to drive hundreds of miles alone without a shower, proper rest, being able to settle down for a bit, and I don't even throw tarps at all. So I can't imagine throwing tarps into the mix. I have been told in the winter time when they get wet and freeze up, they are super heavy and a ton more work and hassle to deal with. I am not really enjoying Flatbed myself and now wishing that I had gone into bumping docks instead, but like you stated earlier, I hate to walk out on things and feel committed now and struggling to know what to do next, especially since they took the time out to give me a chance as a new CDL and spent time training me. There are a lot of things nobody ever told me ahead of time about crap you deal with as a Flatbed driver and I find most of the people you deal with are idiots are just horrible human beings which makes things so much harder than they have to be. I don't suspect bumping docks would be much better, but my guess is it will be slightly better than dealing with the jarheads I deal with at construction zones all the time. -
If you like flatbed go for that. I hated the reefer loads I ever had. Customers are the worst, lots of waiting. A customer with 20 doors will schedule 35 trucks to deliver at 6am.jmarc77 Thanks this.
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