Back Logging your Book

The best way to end that kind of nonsense is to ask the person at your company that told you to log this way to put it in writing! That will never happen, as they do not want the liability. If they can't put it in writing then you don't have to do it.

 

Thats the way
Raise your own red flag,that'll get ya good miles for sure

 

Exactly. It also depends on one's attitude toward the law. Whether you consider it a help or a hindrance.
I was taught to log that way and for years thought everybody was.
I rarely find it necessary nowadays to do it that way anymore, but I won't hesitate to back it up if I get hit with a long load I don't want to turn down.
And to this day, I usually keep it backed up an hour or two. Just because.
Old habits die hard.

 

Which means they can find a way to bust even the most meticulous record keeper among us.
If I ever find myself in a situation that requires that much scrutiny, I'm sure an erroneous log book will be the least of my worries.

 

Drivers are going to have to get used to running and logging legal. Too many "footprints" are left today to circumvent the regulations. I am sitting at home now because I refused to run illegal. I don't have too much as far as worldly possessions go, but what I have I don't want some lawyer to take it away.

I know a driver right now that is sweating his nuts off because he was involved in a major accident last month, killing some people and injuring a bunch. I don't know if he was legal at the time, but I am sure that going back 6 months and checking, some lawyer is going to find some things that ain't going to be pretty.

 

I keep getting told that the new laws are going to change everything. I've been mobile DOT'd one time in the last three years and that was my fault for speeding. I choose to scale when I want to and most of the time I don't so county roads here I come. Our company logs auditor sends us our logs back when not kosher and tells us to "fix" them and never asks questions when 85 hour weeks turn into 69 hour weeks. As for the state DOT auditor, he/she must be looking the other way because all he/she seems to care about is the appearance of propriety when looking at our logs. Because we repower loads he/she would have to spend weeks at our company alone to trace loads from start to finish. The government does not have the money to do this. Yes if I get in an accident I'm screwed because the lawyers will have the money to do it when they subpeona the GPS trail from the truck locator. But if I don't get in an accident I make an extra $20,000 per year. When the government covers my job with federal overtime rules I won't have to drive like a sled dog.

BRI

 

The EOBR are coming the EOBRs are coming... Paraphrasing Paul Revere.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/facts-research/enforcement-reports/enforcement.aspx Use Schiber in the "find" box for an example of a carrier cited for Part 392 for a driver speeding and the carrier dispatching the driver on a run that required them to speed.

In my 10 plus years working compliance reviews I have built over 250 cases against motor carriers and drivers for false logs, no logs, speeding, dispatching a driver that required them to speed, 10/15, 11/14, and 60/70 hour rule violations.

Every review uses at least 30 days of logs (one driver = 30 days). Not today and the previous seven, the whole month plus, fuel receipts, toll receipts, daily fuel summaries from the fuel card provider with the date/time stamp, bills of lading, payroll records, repair receipts, roadside inspections, etc. For each 30 days of logs examined if I find three violations the carrier is penalized. 150 days X 10% = 15; 210 days X 10% = 21.

I don't write tickets, I build a case with supporting documentation and demonstrate how the violation occurred.

I try not to be prejudgeamental; however, when caught red handed the story is usually something to the effect of; "I only did it once." Well guess what, you've been caught.

I expect by June the total of my cases will hit the $2,000,000 mark.

You folks do as you will (Tater); however, it only takes once and all of those previous years of logging miles opposed to actual driving time will bite you hard.

I once built a case on a deliberate falsification using the driver's miles, all fuel receipts, deliveries, and pick-ups to demonstrate the driver could not have completed the week in less than 70 hours... So you do your thing and I'll do mine...

I don't have to be on the side of the road with a radar gun to cite you for speeding. If you logged from Indy - Chicago in four hours from 12:00 - 4:00 PM and it was a legal speed for the whole trip and I have a fuel receipt from Gary, IN at 2:00 PM, I can cite you for speeding from Indy - Gary.

Yes it's a game; however, it only takes me a few strokes to catch up and win.

The cases on the link provided start low and go high.

Be safe.

 

Your dispatcher will hold your loads ransam if you dont log illegal. Safety will compare your log with fuel records, tolls, scales and qualcom to find something illegal. Then safety will send you letters in the mail to cover the company. When a law suit arises your company will use you as the sacrificial pig. I would like to see a company get caught by under cover DOT drivers and be made an example of. We all have to eat and do what we have to do. This all goes on and needs to change. Its all about Need vs Greed.

 

My point exactly in my last post. I think the log book itself has outlived it's usefulness.
Because when the stuff hits the fan, nobody cares what you wrote down.
They will too busy digging up your paper trail and electronic records.

But the log book has been around since 1938 and we know how much the government hates to close down a money sucking beauracracy.

 

That is the attitude that causes some of us to lose respect for the law.
When you view it as a game, I find it hard to believe you are truly concerned with my welfare.