Toy Hauler

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by road runner, Mar 12, 2010.

  1. walleye

    walleye Road Train Member

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    It's the scab transporters like this that pushed rates down it the auto transport industry,....#### fools are running without authority or insurance,..Makes it hard for the legitimate carriers to turn a profit,..
     
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  3. Roadmedic

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    True. But the DOT is only interested in the marked vehicles. Easy prey. Except for dieselbear, I know he has caught some.
     
  4. walleye

    walleye Road Train Member

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    If they stated looking into the unmarked illegal haulers more it would be nice,....
     
  5. Roadmedic

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    Sure would be.

    I had a friend that bought a van to do expedite. The guy he was going to run with told him, no signs needed. No insurance other than private insurance. No logging or anything.


    I see alot of unmarked vans from many other states away, like Florida in North Dakota in a snow storm. Guess they are on vacation.
     
  6. dieselbear

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    It's the same feeling as getting a trophy buck during deer season when I find one of these jokers, very satisfying.
     
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  7. phroziac

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    for hire still has nothing to do with it. look up the definition. Seriously, there are plenty of commercial trucks that are not for hire. It just means they don't make money off hauling freight. AKA they are hauling their own freight.

    An example, my dad drove a not for hire truck for a factory. It was still a commercial truck, he drove under the 150 mile air radius exemption so just had a timesheet, not a real logbook, they still had commercial truck plates on it, an operating authority, ....
    They weren't making money off the freight they hauled though. It was like, order supplies, we'll pick it up ourselves! ship this to an outside vendor! do it ourselves!

    ...its still commercial, but not for hire.

    not for hire has nothing to do with it. The question is, is it "used in (inter/intra)state commerce"

    I still want to know why pizza hut delivery drivers dont need a chaufeurs license but the guys that deliver auto parts to mechanics do..its the same job (and its not for hire)!
     
  8. road runner

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    Thank you for your interest and responses to my post.


    I have not intention or plans to run illegal.


    I am just trying to learn the ropes before I start going out to buy equipment.
    I am kind of confident I will need DOT #'s and MC interstate authorization and insurance.
    Still a bit fuzzy on if I will need a CDL but if I need one I will try to get one. The plan is to be below 26000lbs but as my GCVW will be > 10000 I will need DOT #'s but I think no CDL. For insurance I first thought I would just need 750000 in Liability but I have now been told by a former Hot Shot that I will need 1000000 liability because I plan to haul cars (sometimes). I can't seem to find anything specific about sometimes using a part trailer part RV to haul with. I have been told by the same former Hot Shot that he has done it and only once in four years has and inspector at a weight station had a problem with it. The inspector did not have a problem with th fact that he was using a toy-hauler but gave him a citation because he had a propane bottle inside the trailer that was (in his opinion) not properly secured.
     
  9. Skunk_Truck_2590

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    I'm lost on this one. IMHO this sound's like it's more hassle than what it's worth. Better off just getting a class 8 truck with a sleeper and a trailer and customize the trailer to fit your business need's and just stay in the truck during down time. Why would you want to go through all the trouble for something like that? Adding a RV section to a toy hauler would reduce your load space so in order to keep that space you would have to add length to the trailer but even as a "hot shot" type setup you still have to conform to length requirments.

    Found this on a search- "Well, I would recommend getting a copy of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) book, and check out the information there... As a rule the max length (with out special permits) is 53 foot trailers... But if you are using a 1 ton truck, you have to be real careful not to exceed the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) for the power unit... Also to consider is the fact that the total combination weight of the truck, trailer and cargo can be a problem with scales as that kind of trucking does not have sliding 5th wheels or trailer axles to help balance the load to legal weight limits...

    Just what are the weight limits, well it depends on the tire sizes of the truck and trailer tires... All that information is in the book...

    Next best thing, is if you are close to a scale house, go up there and see if you can get some information - guidance about what is legal... After all they are the ones that will be giving you those big tickets..."
     
  10. road runner

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    I have made three calls to inspectors at weight stations and they say it is OK. The trailer will only be 30-36 feet. I will have a second trailer to haul larger loads:but this second trailer will be an open trailer. I just do not want the expense of buying two enclosed trailers, and I can't afford a big truck.
     
  11. dieselbear

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    What is the GVWR on the door of your truck? Then what is the GVWR of each trailer you plan to hook to this truck? If your COMBINED GVRW is in excess of 26,000 lbs and the trailer GVWR is 10,001 lbs or more, a Class A CDL is required.
     
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