Advice For New MC

nitetride379x · Oct 19, 2023

Ridgeline said: ↑

OK so?

Not to pick on you but freight is freight. If your family has any experience with trucking outside being a steering wheel holder, they will give you an idea where to get the work.

By the way, I know I am going to start some crap here with others but here goes ----->>> A box truck is not dock high, a straight truck is dock high. This is not me pulling it out of my ******* but it has been this way for a few decades.

and how are you going to jump into an 80k semi? will it be loaded and always weigh 80k?
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My grandpa owned a trucking company for 30 years so I guess you could say steering wheel holder. No, Not all freight is the same. Cereal is completely different from a komatsu pc490 which is different from apples or broccoli. Box truck, straight truck, different names for the same thing. A 80k lbs (in my state we can haul on 11 axles regularly so maybe more) 70ft semi, would be more responsibility than a 26ft box truck ,no?

nitetride379x · Oct 19, 2023

brian991219 said: ↑

The source for my comment is the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations. First look at Part 390, which are the heart of the regulations. 390.3 says these regulations are applicable to all that engage in interstate commerce. The look at 390.5, definitions to see what interstate commerce is, paying close attention to paragraph 2 about within one state then lastly look at 391.11 (b) (1) where it says to be an interstate driver you must be 21 years old.

So, if you stay only in your state and do not haul any freight that could be interstate commerce, as I said in my comment yesterday, then yes at 19 you could operate a box truck, or even a dump truck or tractor trailer legally. But, given the broad definition of interstate commerce you will have a hard time finding freight legally that is truly intrastate and not just misrepresented interstate freight. Agricultural commodities and aggregates are your best bet, but even there be careful because some of those are also regulated and could be interstate. Example, delivering stone or asphalt to an interstate highway or airport is interstate commerce but to a homeowner or a apartment complex is not. It gets very complicated which is why I have built a nice business over the years consulting on this very subject.

Here is the link to the regulations for your reference and I have copied and pasted the relevant sections for your review.

§ 390.3 General applicability.
(a) The rules in subchapter B of this chapter are applicable to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles that transport property or passengers in interstate commerce.

390.5 Definitions
Interstate commerce means trade, traffic, or transportation in the United States—

(1) Between a place in a State and a place outside of such State (including a place outside of the United States);

(2) Between two places in a State through another State or a place outside of the United States; or

(3) Between two places in a State as part of trade, traffic, or transportation originating or terminating outside the State or the United States.

§ 391.11 General qualifications of drivers.
(a) A person shall not drive a commercial motor vehicle unless he/she is qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle. Except as provided in § 391.63, a motor carrier shall not require or permit a person to drive a commercial motor vehicle unless that person is qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle.

(b) Except as provided in subpart G of this part, a person is qualified to drive a motor vehicle if he/she—

(1) Is at least 21 years old;

(2) Can read and speak the English language sufficiently to converse with the general public, to understand highway traffic signs and signals in the English language, to respond to official inquiries, and to make entries on reports and records;

(3) Can, by reason of experience, training, or both, safely operate the type of commercial motor vehicle he/she drives;

(4) Is physically qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle in accordance with subpart E—Physical Qualifications and Examinations of this part;

(5) Has a currently valid commercial motor vehicle operator's license issued only by one State or jurisdiction;

(6) Is not disqualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle under the rules in § 391.15; and

(7) Has successfully completed a driver's road test and has been issued a certificate of driver's road test in accordance with § 391.31, or has presented an operator's license or a certificate of road test which the motor carrier that employs him/her has accepted as equivalent to a road test in accordance with § 391.33.
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If I get a driver over 21 whether for box truck or semi, he would be able to go interstate though even if I am not 21 correct?

Chinatown · Oct 19, 2023

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Ridgeline · Oct 19, 2023

nitetride379x said: ↑

My grandpa owned a trucking company for 30 years so I guess you could say steering wheel holder.
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And? Work for him for a while, you only have three years to go before the insurance companies will deal with you, until then you are considered high risk.

nitetride379x said: ↑

No, Not all freight is the same. Cereal is completely different from a komatsu pc490 which is different from apples or broccoli.
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Actually it is, all the freight has the same start, someone who needs it moved. It is how it is handled that matters, and if it is a load of Tomatoes or a Cat d11, it is just how it is moved.

nitetride379x said: ↑

Box truck, straight truck, different names for the same thing.
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No it isn't, there is a huge difference. As I said straight truck is dock high, not a UHaul or box truck. Box truck freight is very cheap and the truck is disposable, they are class 6 and below. Straight truck freight is a step up.

nitetride379x said: ↑

A 80k lbs (in my state we can haul on 11 axles regularly so maybe more) 70ft semi, would be more responsibility than a 26ft box truck ,no?
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Oh boy, I've driven a train before, I know what it is like and I've done a lot of heavy-haul and some straight truck work, it is all the same responsibility, as I was taught it is what you know when something is wrong that matters, not how you think you can drive.

nitetride379x said: ↑

If I get a driver over 21 whether for box truck or semi, he would be able to go interstate though even if I am not 21 correct?
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That is correct, but here is the problem with getting a driver, finding one who won't trash the truck in short order, and actually making a profit off of the freight.

nitetride379x · Oct 19, 2023

Ridgeline said: ↑

And? Work for him for a while, you only have three years to go before the insurance companies will deal with you, until then you are considered high risk.

Actually it is, all the freight has the same start, someone who needs it moved. It is how it is handled that matters, and if it is a load of Tomatoes or a Cat d11, it is just how it is moved.

No it isn't, there is a huge difference. As I said straight truck is dock high, not a UHaul or box truck. Box truck freight is very cheap and the truck is disposable, they are class 6 and below. Straight truck freight is a step up.

Oh boy, I've driven a train before, I know what it is like and I've done a lot of heavy-haul and some straight truck work, it is all the same responsibility, as I was taught it is what you know when something is wrong that matters, not how you think you can drive.

That is correct, but here is the problem with getting a driver, finding one who won't trash the truck in short order, and actually making a profit off of the freight.
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He got out of trucking around 2008 and is in a different business now.

In the aspect that all freight needs to go from point a to b, yes it is the same.

We call them box trucks but I’ll specify, it would be a dock height straight truck like a Ryder Penske etc.

I honestly think I can handle a semi after a few months this is just easier to get into and would provide some driving experience even if it isn’t cdl.

Finding a driver would be fairly difficult yes, but not impossible I already know of a couple people that could.

nitetride379x · Oct 19, 2023

brian991219 said: ↑

The interstate movement stops when the freight is put into their warehouse without an exact know destination prior to being sold, selected and shipped to the local resturants that buy from them. The big difference between them and say UPS is the final destination of the package that began its trip out of state (or country) was known when it entered their distribution system. There are a few court rulings on this verybsubject that affect the intent part of the definition of interstate commerce and it is a very fine line between warehousing with an unknown final destination and warehousing with a known final destination that makes the difference.
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. So if I was to transport something that MAY go interstate it’s fine as long as it’s not predetermined when I am delivering such as a ups package?

Long FLD · Oct 19, 2023

nitetride379x said: ↑

He got out of trucking around 2008 and is in a different business now.

In the aspect that all freight needs to go from point a to b, yes it is the same.

We call them box trucks but I’ll specify, it would be a dock height straight truck like a Ryder Penske etc.

I honestly think I can handle a semi after a few months this is just easier to get into and would provide some driving experience even if it isn’t cdl.

Finding a driver would be fairly difficult yes, but not impossible I already know of a couple people that could.
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How do you plan to pay a driver when there will barely be any profit at all with a box truck? A box truck is the absolute easiest way into the industry, that’s why so many people do it.

And the people you know that would drive, they’re willing to take a chance driving for you while you deal with the learning curve of running a trucking business?

Chinatown · Oct 19, 2023

Bennett Motor Express
Non-CDL driving jobs.

Chinatown · Oct 19, 2023

Here's a last resort job that relates to Post #6
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Put that Cargo Space to good use.
You have the space, and we have the packages. Let's fill your trunk to the brim and get cash in your pocket. Cars must have 4-doors.

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Large Vehicle - Route Avg. 5-7 hr | Avg. 50+ packages

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nitetride379x · Oct 19, 2023

Long FLD said: ↑

How do you plan to pay a driver when there will barely be any profit at all with a box truck? A box truck is the absolute easiest way into the industry, that’s why so many people do it.

And the people you know that would drive, they’re willing to take a chance driving for you while you deal with the learning curve of running a trucking business?
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I would have a driver in a semi not a box truck.

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