Accerlation sputter loud noise ARD HEAD?
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600HP cool !
VVA is variable valve actuators they are under the valve cover and keep the intake valves open to let exhaust back in the cylinder (sort of the same idea as EGR valve on a cummins)
ASVT is air system verification test that tests the aftertreatment air going to the ARD head which is flowing through the 1inch pipe going to the ard head and related sensors and it also tests the CGI valve and related sensors
somthing that a lot of guys have had really good luck with is adding resistors to the intake tempature sensor on the cylinder head just like with the MBN engines and then also one on the intake to the turbo
you have to put both in not just one or the other ...... everyone that i have talked to that has them says they make a big difference to how nice it runs and better fuel economy
the engine still does its regens and everything the same as it always did but the computer doesnt mess with the timing as much because in the computers brain the outside temp never changes with the resistors
im not sure what resistance you need but someone on here might be able to help
resistors prolly wont fix a surging idle or loud sound but once you get that sorted out they would be a good thing
did you check the CGI Valve to see if there is slack in the flapper in the intake pipe to the turbo's?
Cat was having some trouble with that wearing out and then the computer cant control the amount of CGI going into the engine acuratly
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That's the noise I am hearing! The valves are very loud, (stuck open if that is correctly coined), rachity, just extrememly noisy staying open for just a moment. It makes a hell of a racket! Then it is as though something releases them and instantaneously it is quiet as it progresses through the rpms. Sometimes it will repeat within a split second where i can feel it. Example, I will accelerate, the noise will start, pause, then start again then stop all the while I am increasing in RPM without releasing the accelerator. I don't understand why?
So, if the VVA is bad or worn, will this likely cause my issue? He was monitoring what he called the CGI Gate which appeared to open and close along with every slight movement I would make on the accelerator. He said it was perfect. Not sure if actually performed an ASVT in full?
The cgi flapper has not been checked or I don't think he did? He did not open up anyting. When you mention slack in the flapper, what is the symptom of this? What exactly will occurre if there is slack in the flapper? This too sounds like what I've been describing.... "as though a gate or something is wide open causing all sorts of valve noise then it gets slammed shut and all is quiet as the rpm's increase. They did not check this assuming it requires opening up the turbo?
Would engine temperature differences likely to cause the VVA or the Flapper to be sticky? What would be a symptom of a sticky VVA? If there is slack in the Flapper, what would be a symptom? If the slack is there, would it not act up all the time regardless of engine temp? I am no mechanic, however if given to me in a mechanics laguage, perhaps a little english too haha, perhaps i can convince these guys to look deeper. The problem is everyone just looks on the surface and will not keep digging until they find the issue. I know I am not the only one who's had this happen.
What is time frame to replace VVA assembly or the CGI Flapper? The fact it won't do it everytime tells me something is wrong and it is not "normal". -
Looking at your engine service history, it shows you have ESC coverage on the DPF (and the Cat Regeneration System) to 500,000 miles. I assume your the original owner? If not, get the coverage transferred to your name asap. I believe the transfer fee is $350 but well worth the money.
There is a product update that has not been applied to your engine which will improve engine regen reliability. Program # is PS43025"Replacing The Pilot And MAIN Fuel Check Valves"
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That could well be, if Nebraska Machinery did the check valve update just 3-18-10, then it will take a few days to post on the engine history.
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I'd suggest talking with the Technical Communicator (TC) at your local Cat dealer. This is a fairly common problem in the Acert engine, although I would think if you have a broken stud you would see a check engine light come on.....not sure here, that's why your TC is the best person to discuss this noise with.
The last TECH TIP I saw was this one and not sure it would apply to the SDP serial number prefix of your engine.
Description:�� 288-4109 (grade 9) cancel/replaced the 233-3672 (grade 8)
�� Broken VVA studs.
Root Cause:
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Do I understand this correctly: The CGI valve flapper in the intake pipe to the turbo may have too much slack thus causing a noticeable idle pulse. As for my loud valves, I may have a sticking VVA assembly which is a sign of it being worn or damaged. Or, I may have broken studs in the VVA?. Or I have may have all three hardware failures? Please explain if I am wrong or right as it all sounds relative and thus cannot function without one or the other?
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