Employer says we need to take our break in CA

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by waveform, Jan 8, 2024.

  1. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

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    Hello
    I am a local router driver for propane. I do not drive over 100 miles. My employer is telling us we have to take a 30 min brake after 8 hours. My boss said if you don't clock out, I will clock you out. They are taking 30 mins pay every day even though many of us don't have time to take our brakes because the routes are huge. But we still clock out and keep working.
    One of my co workers, our new driver (who was an OTR driver) mentioned that our employer can not legally tell us to take a break because we are federal and don't use log books. Then showed me a screenshot of CFR 395.1
    Our corporate company is in the state of Illinois, but we work in California . Is it possible that they have some kind of loop hole to enforce this? I don't know if I'm interpreting the CFR correctly.

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  3. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

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    Don't do that.

    You are subjecting yourself to an incredible amount of risk if anything bad were to happen to you while you are working off the clock.
     
  4. Blu_Ogre

    Blu_Ogre Road Train Member

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    I believe California has state regs that require rest brakes and lunch brakes. They apply to all employees within the state.

    Many out of state employers with employees in Cali are implementing corporate policies to be compliant with the state laws. They are motivated so they don't get pulled into Big $$$ class action lawsuits.

    A corporate policy that is more strict than the CFR is allowed by the CFR. The corporate policy allows them to take action, including terminating, an employee who does not comply.
     
  5. waveform

    waveform Light Load Member

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    Yes I'm aware of this.

    You're saying "I believe". That makes me think you are not sure.
    Recently there have been a number of law suits against employers (our towing company for example) where the employees won the case because they did not take a lunch and had to be paid. So you're saying a corporate law can sometimes override a federal law in the CFR? This is what I want to see in writing.

    When we clock out, we have to answer a questing that we choose to not take one or more brake, and the text says, you are entitled to a break, but does not say required. Also, I have seeing nothing in writing that says you have to take a break in any of the forms weaved signed or the handbook. I will ask my employee to provide something is writing that brakes are required, if they can't that should be a flag.
     
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  6. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    I asked our local CHP commercial officer about the half hour break. He said in California it's mandatory. There are some agricultural exemptions but they wouldn't apply to you.
    Take the break, kick back, it's only a half hour.
     
  7. Ridgeline

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    OK let's see about this - Wave guy, are you a 1099 contractor?

    if so they can't tell you crap, you work, take your breaks and then they are supposed to pay you an agreed amount for the work.

    If you are an employee, are hourly, and you are living in California, then it is a paid break according to California law, they can not tell you that it is limited on how to take your break, or when to take it and they can not tell you to work through it - period.

    If you are an employee, you are hourly and you are out of Illinois or other states, then the state where the company is based in most cases will govern how you are treated, most states require a PAID break, Illinois changed some of their laws last year and were in effect first of the year, one such law is how lunches and breaks are to happen - PAID.

    NOW here is a difference between a person being paid by the mile and one for hourly, the exemptions to breaks don't exist. The FMCSA regs only govern the interstate movement of the truck and the FLRA does exempt the paid by mileage drivers from OT and other things. No breaks are being paid no matter what by the regulations or the law.

    SO it matters where you live, and how you are paid to determine if you should be paid.
     
  8. Antinomian

    Antinomian Road Train Member

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    He didn't say that. The federal regulation does not require a 30 minute break for drivers who stay within 100 miles. It does not forbid employers or state legislatures from requiring breaks of this or any other kind.
     
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  9. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    If a company has a requirement that is more stringent than the federal regulations, yes they can do that. Individual states can have regulations more strict than federal also. The only thing they can't do is violate the federal regulation. Don't be working on mandatory breaks it's asking for trouble.
     
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  10. Blu_Ogre

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    I would encourage you to verify anything said online. I have not lived in Cali, nor employed anybody there for over a decade, that is the root of my uncertainty. I do Know the regulations affecting employees has changed. A big part of those changes is AB5 which is still being challenged in the courts.

    Newsom signs bill rewriting California employment law, limiting use of independent contractors

    I do know I received a check from a class action settlement involving a previous company I was leased to. The legal claim was over meals and rest brakes.

    Probably a good Idea. My Bet: Somebody at the company has written a rule that you need to know about.
     
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  11. LoneRanger

    LoneRanger Road Train Member

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    Breaks are required in California for w2 employees. Last time I worked in California it was 2x15 min and a 30min for an 8 hr shift.

    could have changed but doubt it would be worse.
     
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