Suspension swap

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  1. Gyrodeputy

    Gyrodeputy Bobtail Member

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    I am running a cabover pete 320 custom ejection dump truck.

    The suspension is a 46000 hendrickson haul maax. Axles are 46-170s. Gear ratios and strength are ideal. However the axles are in the wrong place for best load and bridge.

    I want to convert to air ride. I have access to a complete, slightly used pete air trac suspension.

    I need some insight and advice. If the axles will fit the suspension?

    I know it will require redrilling the frame etc. That does not matter because we are moving the axle locations regardless.

    Any advice would be appreciated.
     

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  3. AModelCat

    AModelCat Road Train Member

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    If the Pete suspension comes with the axles I would use those if possible as it looks like you'll likely need to have different saddles welded onto the axles to mount them. Torque rod location on the axle housing may be different as well.

    Another issue you will likely run in to is the mounting locations of the brake chambers/cam tubes. Looks like they're mounted on the front side on the front drive and on the rear on rear drive with the Haulmaax. On the Air Trac I believe they are mounted on the front side on both drive axles. Again, more part relocations to make the existing axles work.
     
  4. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Looks to me like you are a major bull ####er. If you have all those axles that are in that picture why do you need to be relocating any for weight distribution?
     
  5. Gyrodeputy

    Gyrodeputy Bobtail Member

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    Rather than attack you for your negative and uniformed comment, I will try to explain and educate you.

    First lift axles raise automatically when trucks are placed in reverse.

    This truck was built with a tag axle (behind the drives) to keep the turning radius short. Additionally, (in case your not familiar) the Hendrickson Haulmaax tilts the suspension front to back centerline between the drive axles. Each axle moves up and down at the centerline point.

    To add to the dynamic loading, this body is a custom ejection dump body. There is nothing in the front 5 feet of the body but 2 horizontal hydraulic cylinders. Being a cabover also means the engine is 5 to 6 feet further to the rear so it is not as effective as a counterweight.

    The rear tag lifts when backing. This puts the entire load behind the pivot of the drive axles.

    During a recent job we were backing down a steep driveway and the steer axle literally came off the ground.

    The essentials of the change is the drives will be moved to the rear and the rear tag axle will become a 3rd pusher. This will put the cg of the load over the drives and not behind the unsupported back of the chassis.

    Since we are going through those changes we feel like why not put it on an air suspension to improve ride quality, wear and tear.

    Not trying to BS anyone. Just looking for input from experts that may have value to add to the discussion

    Have a nice day.
     
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  6. Gyrodeputy

    Gyrodeputy Bobtail Member

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    Here is a picture to help you understand the issue. 20240409_143309.jpg
     
  7. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    Ok : Thanks for the education
     
  8. Star Rider

    Star Rider Road Train Member

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    How about installing a manual override switch for the rear tag axle and use it when needed?
     
  9. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    I assume that rear tag axle is steer able? if not just bypass the auto lift. if it is a steer I've seen lockouts so the can't steer and you could leave it down
     
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  10. Gyrodeputy

    Gyrodeputy Bobtail Member

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    Correct it is a steerable axle which is why it lifts. I will check to see if a steer lock kit is available. Good tip.
     
  11. Gyrodeputy

    Gyrodeputy Bobtail Member

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    Because it is steerable that is not an option.
     
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