Lets discuss the epa news about emissions systems?

Honestly. Id be leery of doing a delete any time soon and as much as i loath myself for saying it. Im going to keep my isx undeleted even if i have iron clad laws saying i can. And for good reason.

Think about it. We have been getting under the table deletes for years. And a LOT of these deletes are engine destroying trash. Go look at rawze sometime if dont belive me. A lot of these deletes are absolute garbage and pirated propagated crap designed to lock you into a shady guy forever.

What happens when you legalize it and every tom dick and harry goes out and gets these subpar delete packages or shops who have never done it start doing them? How about dealers that have spent YEARS enforceing emissions suddenly doing deletes. Ontop of all the years of these companys intentionally designing these blocks to defacto explode if you delete them. And frankly the engine makers have a good incentive to NOT help design a delete package. Namely they make a fortune off emissions garbage.

Even if it becomes legal, it is going to be the wild ####ing west for deletes for YEARS as the actully good delete packages get out and developed and i forsee a lot of dead turbos. Broken blocks. Black clouds of nasty (no a PROPERLY done delete does not make billowing black smoke, i should know i put 750k on one and it NEVER smoked) which will further hurt diesels image because roaling coal is apparently "fun" (waste of fuel imo) as people figure out workarounds and such.

Frankly its not worth gambleing my engine or my warranty. Though i do admit having it as an OPTION would be a #### nice feeling and would give me a final layer of safety for the all too common def lights of doom.

 

Trump EPA Announcing Reevaluation of the Clean Trucks Plan

 

A former co owner/ op where I used to work a decade ago deleted his isx . It had awesome power and reasonable fuel mileage for a 389. However about 6 months after he deleted we were pulling mostly 100k gross loads one day all I saw was a cloud of smoke his block broke in half. You could look right through it .

 

Yup. I got #### lucky with my MX delete. The guy who did it knew what he was doing and was good at it. And i cant stress just how lucky i was. So a good delete is out there. But for every truck like mine you head that goes to a million + on a delete. You hear of 50 storys like yours. A delete done well makes these engines far better .
more reliable and cheaper to run. But a lot like the ISX are designed in a way that doing so if its not absolutely prefect and correctly modified destroy the motor.

Also a common thing with a lot of shadey deletes is they uprate the engine well past what its designed for. I.E 550+ on a block tuned for at most 475. Then they screw with a lot of settings so the motor ends up reporting good mileage like say 9mpg....but its getting less in reality.

Again good deletes exist but bad ones out number them thousands to 1. And when the gates open dispite my full and happy support for being able to do whatever the hell you want to your own property legally. Whats going to happen is that every moron with a computer and a sawzall is going to go ham. And there will be so many morons that the GOOD deleters like my dude are going to fade into the background for a long ### time as the field for lack of a better term recovers and the fakes get weeded out. Additionally many motors have undergone radical changes since deletes were last common. So a lot of old knowledge no longer applies. Not to mention all the impending legal battles as motors explode from bad deletes. Lawsuits fly and all the current laws and judgments go right out the #### window and need to be litigated from scratch potentially by judges from radically opposed views to allowing said deletes mudding the waters.

So while i wont tell anyone DONT do it if its legal. Deffo buyer beware and save it as a last resort. Not a instant its legal do it thing.

And yes i feel dirty for even saying all this.

 

I realize what I'm about to post is a little bit of apples to oranges but....

My 2003.5 Dodge 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins, no Def, no dpf, no catalytic converter, no egr from the factory gets 22 mpg on a long trip.

My cousin's 2023 Ram 2500 gets 16mpg and has been in the shop three times in two years for emissions ########, twice because his rear brakes locked up, and once for the turbo. All below 100k miles.

I'll probably regret saying this, but my truck is at 337,000 miles right now with the original turbo. Of course it's not one of those vvt pieces of #### that they put in new trucks though.

Which truck is producing more pollution? Guaranteed it's not mine.

 

My opinion, but just postponing the 2027 tier is a good thing. The manufacturers simply haven’t had time to develop reliable systems, and each new tier is only producing the smallest of improvements in emissions.
If we could step back to the 2017 standard, up time and cost would both increase very significantly, while still achieving a 90% reduction in emissions.

 

Your not wrong. My 2012 3500 is the last of the pre def 1 tons ram produced. Has been in the shop exactly once and only for an O2 sensor a rodent ate and shocks. Granted it only has 70k on it now though.

Meanwhile a friend has a 2020 ram 3500 thats been in the shop near constantly since he got it. Has had a list of repairs that make santas kids lists look reasonable. My ram gets about 14 average with how i use it. His gets 7.... same 6.7 motors just diffrent gens. Oh and his only has 50k on it yet has already had 2 turbos, a new head, new SCR, new injectors, and a host of sensors and electrical crap and towed at last count 37 times.....and his truck is both much heavier and hauls LESS somehow....no seriously we were curious and hit a cat scale once. Mine is 7843 with full fuel tanks his is 8431 with full tanks and spec wise they are esentially clones. Just mine is older.

Frankly i am glad they are doing away with this rushed emissions ####. Hell engines like the scania S13 or other new diesel engines have proven that there are better ways to get both a more efficent engine and one that doesnt look like a coal power plant melting down. Imo a lot of the issues you see with emissions are them trying to flat out force unrealistic improvments in an unrealistic time frame and manufacturers being forced to cut corners and hammer in slap dash fixes to even get close to meeting the new standards reliability be ######.

 

I've said it before: if it was about the environment they would be pushing this stuff on other countries too. Minimal net benefit to the environment by cleaning up already very clean engines.

 

I’m all for/like clean air, they just about got the current systems to run reliably, just postponing the next gen and do the finishing touches on what’s already out three to make it 99.9%