Question for the bears here!

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by phroziac, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    I'm not asking this with any intention of breaking the law or anything, but i was just wondering.

    Over the winter i drove straight into a bad blizzard in the northeast, spent about 7 hours driving from carlisle, pa to yonkers, ny. I took 81 north to 78 east in. Well, I just went to brooklyn on the same route, and i didnt realize it, but its only a 3 hour drive!

    Im just wondering...since its pretty common for drivers to fix their logs by making them always average 60 mph, etc....and since i know dieselbear has said on here that he's busted guys on falsification for logs that show impossible speeds...

    have any of you guys ever busted a driver with falsification in a scenario where maybe on the other side of the country, a guy went through a predicted and well reported storm, and claimed to have averaged 65 mph through it?

    anyhow im just kind of thinking crime doesnt pay lol!

    Oh yeah and there was an emergency speed limit of 45 set on all the highways in PA that night..
     
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  3. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    They can, they have, and the DOT when auditing a company, can and will cite the driver for falsification even after the occurrence. Even a scale inspection can hit you with falsification within the 8 days when they examine your logs and re-track your route and traveled times.
     
  4. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    would they really have the info on how fast those roads were moving that day?
     
  5. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    Maybe..............maybe not. I guess you have to ask yourself, do you feel lucky?
     
  6. Buckaneer

    Buckaneer Light Load Member

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    Why am I picturing Clint Eastwood. :yes2557:
     
  7. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    Very. :biggrin_255:
     
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  9. kajidono

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    I might shave a few minutes off for a traffic jam but a big storm like that I'd just log it like it was. Something like that's beyond my give up point. Can't be helped.
     
  10. phroziac

    phroziac Road Train Member

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    i will never forget that night. there was just something about 1610 AM...

    "The following roads are restricted to all commercial vehicles, tractors, tractor trailers, all vehicles pulling trailers: (every interstate except 81 and 78). In addition, all highways are restricted to motorcycles, and there is a speed limit of 45 in effect blah blah."

    MOTORCYCLES?
     
  11. Sly Fox

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    I think every driver with paper logs squeezes a few minutes here or there every day. The issue is drivers squeezing their time into 90-100mph situations that are preposterously illegal and rather dangerous if they don't get enough rest before taking off again.

    As for the OP, I guess the bear can't regulate whether you're driving safely or unsafely on roads they have no jurisdiction over. If the speed limit in Utah is 75 and you logged an average of 70mph but were really doing 25mph, they can't say you were lying without other actual proof. Driving 70mph may have been extremely unsafe, but if you claim you did it, your log book says you did it.

    Unethical. And one of the biggest reasons we're going to EOBRs is from all the drivers doing crap like that.

    My company did say since we have prepass, ezpass, etc that they can peg the times you go under the sensor to when you've logged driving. So yes, they can get you if you aren't logged as driving when you go under those sensors. Or, if you've driven too quickly between two of the sensors. They'll never catch that on a roadside (most likely), but on a company audit they probably would have no problems matching it up with scale tickets, fueling, time-stamped bills, etc.
     
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