I put 2 new combination chambers on the rear axle, they were 30-30 cut to fit. I had 2 different chambers on the truck, one really old odd ball looking one, and the other with a broken spring. So the length of the rod could not be copied over and was a pain in the ### trying to figure this out. So it was a start from scratch. Caged the chamber, installed, marked 90 degrees from s-cam center line and then measured back distance of clevis allowing thread full engagement. - It aint even close.
Now assembled, adjusted correctly, when the parking brake is applied the angle is wrong, it is about an inch forward too far, past 90 degrees. Nowhere can I find any legal laws, rules, or anything written what is legally acceptable. I really dont want to take it all apart and redo it... it doesnt look bad, just not ideal and from what I read its not in spec.... but I cant find any legal specs. Is there even such a thing?
Anything I try and look up law wise has no mention of this.
Brake chamber -cut rod length / angle issue?
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Green461, May 1, 2025.
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brake-school.com/bsrepo/video/VID-2020-013/properly_cut_ pushrod_clevis.mp4
The info you need starts at 1:35 but watch the whole video, about 6 minutes.
You should be able to shorten the rod on the truck without taking everything apart.
If you have dual chambers on the other axle you could measure the pushrod on those.
Use anti-seize on the clevis pins. They need to move freely for the slack adjuster to work and adjust the brakes.Magoo1968, Rideandrepair and Big Road Skateboard Thank this. -
Applied stroke is what they check. Standard 3030 chamber has 2.5 inches of stroke. With the brake applied there should be (if I'm remembering correctly) 1.5 inches of the stroke used and ideally there should be a 90 degree pushrod to slack adjuster angle.
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Thanks, the video doesnt really answer anything. I will have to guess and check to get it down to the 90 degrees as there is no method to do it.
The measurement he got to cut probably varies, depending on the clevis you use. The ones that came with it wont work, they have no provision for the small pin, so the ones I used that came with the Merritor slack adjusters is what i used, measured from pin center back to rod to get distance.
My question about the 90 degrees was my main concern. But after more research and even though its written nowhere, nothing online, its the function of the slack adjuster that needs the 90 degree, no law. If over 90 degrees the slack adj will think its out of adjustment and auto correct. If under the 90 degrees the slack adj wont do anything and your breaks will slowly go out of adjustment with wear.
Its amazing no video covers this. Its pretty much the most important part.Magoo1968 and Rideandrepair Thank this. -
In the video he uses 2". I would start with that and then see what the angle looks like with the brakes applied. He could not cut off much more than 2". The nut is against the chamber and there are not many threads left from the end of the rod to the nut.
Since your rod is already cut I would mark the ruler/square where the mark would have been and then mark 2 inches from that. Compare to the length of your rod now and then cut to get the 2" like in the video.
"My question about the 90 degrees was my main concern." I hear what you say about the angle. But if you use the spec then you can see where you end up and should be good
without guessing.
Bendix has a # for technical help. I'm sure Merritor does also. Call and ask them.Last edited: May 1, 2025
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Attach a pic with both the brakes applied and released.Last edited: May 1, 2025
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All the vids even the manufacturer ones state for the "combination" chambers do them while they are caged. Thats wrong. I just squared them with the brakes applied. I cut another 1.75" off the rods. Top pic is how directions state to do it.... bottom one is corrected. Pretty stupid I dont know why you cant just buy ones made to fit..
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In the first pic it is obvious there is way too much rod and threads showing. If you had originally followed the method in the Bendix video you would have got it the first time, at least much closer than pic 1. Your pic 2 looks like what he ended up with in the video. Your method works and you ended up with the right result. However, there is nothing saying that the angle should be 90 degrees with the brakes applied or parking brake set. Selling the chambers with one length of rod and cutting allows one chamber to work for multiple applications. Kind of like universal. Universal is a bad word in my book and I always try to buy an exact fit to avoid modifications. Which is not possible with brake chambers.
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Physics is saying exactly that. Maximum conversion of air pressure to braking force (well, technically brake cam torque) occurs when the rod is perpendicular to the slack.JB7 Thanks this.
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