ARKANSAS English Checks Have Begun, They’re checking ALL trucks

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  1. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    Executive order only covers federal offices, and is easily changed or overturned.

    Moreover,
    -This designation specifically allows agencies to keep current policies and provide documents and services in other languages, but encourages new Americans to adopt a national language that opens doors to greater opportunities.

    -Agencies will have flexibility to decide how and when to offer services in languages other than English to best serve the American people and fulfill their agency mission.

    So, it changes literally nothing.

    Sure its nominally official NOW, but doesnt have the weight of legislation
     
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  3. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    I don't know what it is that you try to argue.
    The cradle of this country - the colonies of New England, used English for their daily official use.
    The founding fathers spoke English to each other. Before then, the insurgents that followed George Washington's orders to fight for independence were English speakers too. The Constitution was written in English. Most of this country civil law has derived from the English common law.
    As the expansion of the frontiers moved to the west and south, it might have encountered French and spanish settlements but even those were highly asymmetrical to the overall usage of English and rendered those lanuages impractical to use. Maybe with the exception of Louisiana and conquered Mexican territories almost 200 years ago.
    The American culture that has evolved since the colonial times: art, literature, philosophy was 100% expressed in English.
    I understand there might not be a formal stipulation in the Constitution but that document was done at the time of when common sense and logic was enough to know what language was the language of the land.

    America is a free country and everyone can speak whatever language they want, but official civil and business matters are to be done in English in a preassumptive manner, which is just as obvious that the milk they use at Starbucks to make your latte comes from a cow and not from a horse.

    As far as the trucking profession and the English usage, you have it in black and white in the regulations book.
    Issuing CDLs to non English speakers is a safety concern because many traffic devices depend on English understanding not symbolic signs.
    "All trucks must use left lane" while Prime Amazon trucks stay in the right one, comes to mind.
     
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  4. gentleroger

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    At the time of the Revolution, 10% of the country were native German speakers. A Prussian was responsible for creating the Continental Army's field and drill manual. A good portion of the Continental Congress public statements were printed in both German and English. The Articles of Confederation were printed in French and English. In 1795 it was proposed to print all laws in English and German.

    Let's not forget that the Southwest was populated with mainly Spainish and Native speakers until the turn of the 20th Century - a main reason for New Mexico not becoming a state until 1912.

    Up until the 1950s, it was common for cities to have ethnic enclaves that spoke very little English.

    Multilingualism has a long history in this country.
     
  5. FloridaRetired

    FloridaRetired Medium Load Member

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    Was there at least one renowned American who did not speak English? Or even recognized American literary piece written not in English?
    What's this argument all about;
    English is not the language of this land and people?
     
  6. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    General Pulaski did not speak English.

    General Friedrich von Steuben didn't speak English either.

    General Lafayette did spoke English - eventually, but always had a translator with him.

    Ben Franklin founded a German language newspaper, believing it necessary for the dissemination of American values. German language newspapers were common and prominent until WWI - Joseph Pulitzer started his career at a German language newspaper. In 1850 it was proposed to translate the State of the Union into Spanish.

    My point is that English was not the ONLY language in the Colonies at the time of the Revolution and throughout the 19th century. We should not pretend otherwise.
     
  7. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    1-3 empiric claims that are provably false

    1, new england had many enclaves of german and dutch speakers, in which you would be hard pressed to find an english speaker.

    2. The founding fathers were fond of their multilingual capabilities and would more often speak french and spout latin at each other, as that was considered more refined.

    3. Simply untrue, many contingents spoke NO english.

    4. Finally a true claim, but dissemination to the public at large used translations as they thought it better to fully include the populace they (the govt of the time) wanted to govern

    5. You simply dont have a clue

    6. Absolutely and inequivocally not true, philosophy and science were predominantly latin and french respectively. Art has always been multilingual, and there are many literary works that not only were written in other languages here in the usa, but even till the 1950s it was EXPECTED to be cultured in literature you would be fully conversant with french, latin, some greek and german, and have a full knowledge of the greek and roman mythologies as well as know the entirety of the old testament. And thats to simply be not considered a backwoods hick.

    7. You find it common sense, but that is simply not true, the constitution is a legal document crafted by lawyers, they had little regard for "common sense" unless that was the work by thomas paine, amd even then, the title was ironic. This was from a time when the divine right of kings stemming from adam in the old testament would have been considered your "common sense". Yet we have no king.

    8. Sure, but regulation is not law

    9. Pretend you beleive that all you want, ive seen just as many if not more english speakers only disregard every sign they could see that DIDNT even have words on it to beleive that its "unsafe" to drive if you cant read the 5 % of signs that arent obvious from pictograms. Next youll be telling me there were never any accidents from truck drivers in the 70s or 80s or whenever it is you seem to think this perfect utopian era we used to live in where everyone spoke english was, utter drivel.
     
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  8. FloridaRetired

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    Not to demean their fame nor merits, neither Pulaski nor Lafayette were born Americans. They were American heros but they are not an example of renowned Americans who did not speak English.

    If you were to tell me that the likes of Ulysses Grant, William Faulkner, or John Wayne spoke French or German at home, that's what I was looking for.
    Of course, there has always been a myriad of other languages spoken here due to never-ending immigration. Those always morphed in the 2nd generation into English - children of immigrants speak English as their natural language as adults.
    Trying to argue and question that English wasn't the dominant and main language of people is at least strange.
     
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  9. Jacoooooooo

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    Scary times if DOT rules supersede the Constitution.

    By the way, why not go after the actual corruption and the agencies that gave the non-english speakers their CDL’s? As far as I know English is required to pass the CDL test, at last in both states i ever had mine (NY & PA).

    But here we go again, pick an easy target, they literally can’t defend themselves since they don’t even speak the language.
     
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  10. drvrtech77

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    Frankly it’s time everyone of the CDL holders that cannot comprehend any bit of English need to be removed from this industry because it’s a safety hazard to start with and frankly they can go back when they came from
     
  11. FloridaRetired

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    Also, those on work visas too. English or no English.
    They moved out all the manufacturing jobs overseas leaving regular people with nothing but a bunch of Walmart, part time package handlers at Amazon and prison jobs.
    Now, they bringing those cheap laborers from overseas content with the wages that might have been considered barely an average pay 25 years back.
    Regular people need to get paid to live here.
     
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