4W1765 THE GOOD THE BAD & THE UGLY

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by 1034-CAT, May 22, 2025 at 2:55 PM.

  1. wore out

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    You got a restriction in a C pump before the plungers and barrels…..
     
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    Anytime your pumping liquid if pressure goes up flow goes down. The only way to increase said flow and maintain pressure is by going to a larger pump. So you have that part. But you still got another problem and I’ll tell you it’s not the elbow feeding the injection pump on top of it.
     
  4. BoxCarKidd

    BoxCarKidd Road Train Member

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    I do not have a lot to say about that with Cats but refer to post #3. Maybe someone with one of those high horsepower cams can chime in and tell you how to have great power and mileage. Those type engines are normally designed to run high horsepower at a constant speed. Not changing RPM all the time or running a mid range.
    Have a irrigation engine in a tandem flatbed truck. I can baby foot 6.5 MPG. Had a truck blow by me one morning then turn on a turn signal slowing me down to turn right on the next state road. It was my neighbor and he apologized the next time he saw me. Said I did not know that was you and I lost track of where my next road was. Just could not stand to be behind you anymore. The exhaust is like unburned fuel. Made me weezy noxious and my eyes water.
    On the other hand I had a condo at the traffic light to the right of me with a 53. I was empty and he was dogging it. Cars were all lined up behind us. Finally I just turned the sky black and left that place. Then when I get to the interstate I am gear bound as it was made when the national speed limit was 55.
    A whole lot of BS thrown out there just to say it all has to work together. Also boat motors have the ocean to cool them and you do not. Experimenting can be expensive. I was not trying to make a monster just through all this left over junk from the farm together.
    Good luck with what you do.
     
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    Just curious, but to what extent are you interested in the Performance Capabilities of the Old Iron?

    I mean, is this a hobby and a passion you have, or something you want to make a living with? You and @wore out are talking way above my comprehension, but I can't help wondering to what end you are re-engineering a mechanical engine.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my B models, but I am curious as to what your expectations are once completed.
     
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    Stiffer valve springs and bigger push tubes do not change the weak point on the rocker shafts either. Makes that an even bigger issue. Again you can have a pump capable of a 1000 gallons an hour at 60 psi but your not gonna get that to the plungers then when you do they are not gonna be big enough. I will admit I’m doing plenty of assuming here on the expectations. But experience tells me already what they are. A pulling truck sure the juice is worth the squeeze but anyone building a pulling truck ain’t coming here looking for advice
     
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  7. 1034-CAT

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    @Oxbow
    I guess I could say that I’ve always had a passion for the earlier 3406B-C models and going back to the 90s when I had my first 379 with a 4MG 425 and traveled all over the states back in those days, it just didn’t seem like there was anything other than a well tuned 425 CAT that would pull in the mountains and get the job done.
    Back then I had a mechanic from Peterbilt That told me to roll Bearings into the bottom at 250,000 miles.
    So going back to that first truck I had taken on the mindset that you have to pay to play.
    I’ve never gotten into a build, anticipating that I would see 1,000,000 miles, but I was fine with the idea that I may possibly only get 3 to 400,000 miles.
    There isn’t a lot of information regarding the earlier camshafts other than people saying use this one or that one.
    So I’m looking at Lift and duration Of the lobes and with the 1034cubic inch that I’m building, I had the mindset of more air fuel in and exhaust out.
    With the bore and stroke I’m interested in torque.
     
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    @wore out
    As I mentioned to Oxbow, there’s not A lot of information On the web. The diesel garage at one point had a lot going on, but I see over the years not much is happening Since Big Brother.
    I have a lot of modifications to accomplish with what I’m building here, but I have the capabilities of machining, modifying and building this stroker. I was just uncertain of which camshaft I may choose to use for this build.
    I am open to any comments or suggestions to sort this out. And regarding the valve train as stated earlier, I have some ideas, but as you pointed out, there are still weak links within the system.
     
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    Stronger push tubes will help. you could also make extra support stands for the rocker shaft….. I did this on a pulling tractor
    I have a b model torn down right now and it looks like it would be really easy to use one of the head bolts to anchor it
    Something else to think about would be changing the ratio of the rocker arms to increase valve lift….but then you could likely have to clearance the tops of the piston….easy but just another step
    The engine I’m working on actually has the 4w1765 cam in it but idk if it runs better than the other engine that I think has a different cam but there’s probably to many other variables to be able to tell
     
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    They break on the ends. Outside the support stands 95 percent of the time
     
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    Thanks for the input.
    Do you have any photos of the support stands you made, I like this idea and will be looking into it. Just need to make sure everything is torqued.
    The last pistons I machined where cut for 15.2:1 and clearanced for Valves. The next set, I may cut valve pockets into them for the clearance like the 8PNs.
    I wont know what's necessary until I do a 3D scan and start a rotating assembly.
    The IPD Big Bore kit that I'll be starting with has 16.2:1 compression which I'll be changing and adding thermo coatings when finished.
    CAM: Still looking at cam degrees, duration & lobe separation. We're not Drag Racing, just Heavy Pulling.
    Sure wish doing Cam swaps were easy. lol
    I have a tendency for building things that you just cannot buy replacement parts for when the #### hits the fan.
    And Yes I've paid Wrecker bills to get back home. It goes to the saying: you have to Pay to Play
     
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