4W1765 THE GOOD THE BAD & THE UGLY

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by 1034-CAT, May 22, 2025 at 2:55 PM.

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    So since we’re going to all this trouble of mounting a gear type pump, regulator, extra support stands for the rocker shaft, clearancing the block, bigger push tubes, machining piston tops etc. Why not go to a custom grind on the cam? They are plenty available. Why not find a cyclone pump, or convert it to a Bosch….
     
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    The potential lack of fuel Issue.
    I think the best that I maybe able to get is going to be 350-400cc with rack stop modifications and honing a set of nozzles 40 over and shim the Spring to keep the pop-off psi high for fuel atomization.
    I have a P-Pump available that will flow 1200-1600cc with Bosch injectors but I don't want to go through the hassle of everything involved for that set up.
    Trying to keep things looking normal under the hood until it's time to GO.
    Do you care to address the possible fuel blockage?
    I've only completely built two 7E-5888 with mechanical B Governor in the past, and this will be only my 3rd complete build.
    In the past I've balanced the fly weights to a tenth of a gram along with other things, probably OVERKILL ,but I look at all situations to see if anything can be improved or gained. OCD
    A-lot of things I've done I have to refer back to notes taken & list written if I remembered to do so, because I have forgotten so much as I've gotten older .
     
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    The B governor section isn’t gonna cure your fuel blockage. Just isn’t. As far as clearing up what I’m dancing around idk
     
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    See everyone wants this info to build these monsters and they work off of a pattern. In truth they have no god #### clue what timing is or does or fuel delivery. If they worked on #### every day the answer you want be right under there nose. See I posted it on Facebook once and was told by the top dog I was wrong. I almost posted a pic then said na they can figure it out on there own. This is extremely conceded and by God arrogant however not one time did I have to catch my breath battling another mechanical with mine. Running all CAT parts. Some things you just don’t tell make them learn it on their own
     
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    I missed your post earlier whenI was responding to W932

    Mark M formally from Columbus Diesel and I are going to talk later this evening when he gets home. I don't believe that there are any Cyclones out there at this time that are available, I may be wrong. But we will talk about that soon enough.
    As for a custom grind, I wouldn't know where to start. But I am looking into the ACERT Marine Cams for comparison to the B-Model cams
     
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    There are other options for fuel pumps. What good is comparing a cam with an injector lobe to one that doesn’t have an injector lobe? Over head cam verses push tube….they are nothing alike I fail to see what there is to compare. Both engines respond differently to lobe separation, lift and duration
     
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    As I said earlier regarding Cams (I wouldn't know where to start)
    The idea is to find a cam that may possible work best with the added stroke and bore with the rotating assembly I'm putting together.
    The injector lobe is irrelevant and I don't know what the rocker ratio difference is between the two.
    So going blindly, the only thing that comes to mind is Cam timing, lift, duration & separation etc. and seeing if the higher performing Cams share any similarity with the older cams.
    The old engines with the 4W1765 Camshaft Assembly ... 7 ± 2° After Top Center
    Engines with the 7W3797 Camshaft Assembly ... 1 ± 2° After Top Center
    I have know idea regarding the later E - Acert Cats

    On another note.
    I tried calling Mark back this evening but wasn't able to talk to regarding fuel pumps.
     
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    They only make the 100-7408 now. Regarding the 4W-1765 it was phased out due to the valve train issues it caused. Not because it produced any more or less. The 100-7408 is just an updated number for the 3797. There was a rumor and a post that the 460 PEEC had a top secret different cam from factory. That you put the 3797 in it if it needed replaced. That was nothing more than a farce. I’ve had 2 of those motors and both had the 3797 in it from the factory I know that for facts. Their is no info on the internet cause their is none to be had. What makes you think you need more cam for more displacement? Yes it helps if offered but it’s just not. Even in the E platform the only difference in them is fuel lobe. Another little FYI, the valves from B all the way to a C18 are the exact same size. Now let’s talk about engines where cam selection is abundant the biggest mistake made there is selecting too much cam for the heads or for the CFM they flow on the intake as well as exhaust side. Bigger valves in those heads don’t improve the intake runner or exhaust runner. While the bigger valves help they are still limited by flow in and out. So you port match but you still are not there. It takes a better more improved head. Where are you getting one of those for a 3406B.
     
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    I was just talking to Joe @ Scheid Diesel today about those feed holes. I had asked him If they have ever enlarged them. His comment was that they apparently haven't done.
    I have one of those pumps I removed in 04 I'll have to open it up and start comparing the two.
    Thanks for sharing. Ok you can delete !
     
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    I can show you a daily driver all CAT parts that put 682 to the rollers and 2032 on torque. I only got to pull it to 1900 the dyno at Joplin Freightliner was getting hot and they shut me down. That was also before any fine tuning and going a different route on both turbos. That was its break in run. Never took it back cause it’s just a number
     
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