trying to load me past 14 hr

Here is a question? Do the DOT driving rules apply on private property?

Lets say I work local, I log my full 11 hours of driving. I get back to the yard on private property and have to jokey trailers for 1.5 hours. Does that get logged on Line 3 or Line 4.

Mark

 

Are you using a yard dog or your regular cab truck?

I would think that you could log it all on line 4, since I doubt you would note on your logs each trailer # you moved, the BOL #'s, you are not doing a pre and post trip on the trailers, etc.

 

There is a simple solution to all this mess of hours of service. This solution is not rocket science, and will keep MADD, PATT, CRASH, & the DOT happy. Just mandate the requirement that all drivers be paid hourly, and that their drivers log is their timecard. There is not a driver alive that will screw themselves out of any time, O/O's could possibly have a deal where they lease the the truck to the company and then are are paid wages.

 

Maybe after EOBRs are mandated this will happen.

 

EOBR's would not be necessary for this to work, As a matter of fact this plan could save the trucking industry millons of dollars in that they would not have purchase nor pay monthly fees for the high dollar equipment.

 

Level 1 today at the brake check they were doing at the scale. Passed as usual.

Never had a problem since I started driving.

I guess you predict things to happen and they do not.

I worked with numbers for almost all my life. Accuracy is not a problem.

You still have not shown the regulation that allows you to drive to a dock, process the work to get in the dock and etc.

I will remain with my opinion on this and I am sure you will remain with yours.

 

I don't have to show anything - its part of the agreements made between (for example) SNI, Prime, et al and the FMCSA as an inducement for moving onto elogs voluntarily. You won't see anything on the government's website concerning the HOS rule changes until everything is finalized. You know the government isn't going to change that website multiple times when they can do it once after all the dust has settled.

Which rock have you been residing under for the last year? Remember the Senate hearings to confirm the new FMCSA administrator? Sen. Lautenburg (NJ) elicited a commitment from the FMCSA administrator to push EOBRs/elogging onto the industry - that's how it all came about. The NTSB has been pusing for this and CSA2010 for years. The industry and the ATA came back to the FMCSA with the priviso that since the government wants the industry on a more restrictive logging system, the industry wants certain relaxations of the rules only for carriers on electronic logging to permit them to carry on their business. Its also part of the reason that carriers on elogs don't get hassled at the scales any longer. Glad you enjoyed your visit with the DOT boys!

 

So, you claim that Prime has an agreement with the FMCSA that allows the drivers to interrupt their break and fuel their truck since it will not move more than 2 miles, return to their parking spot and continue with the break?

You mean that Prime and all the others can interrupt the driver break and go to the dock and get loaded/unloaded and the break will not be interrupted?

I know drivers that drive at these companies that have electronic logs.

One driver moved the truck during the break to straighten it up and pull forward one spot. His break had to start all over again.

Why don't you inquire to dieselbear or MikeMD on this and get their side of this.

Also, no rock, I was the dot and log person for a company and keep well informed on the rules.

If they are so interested in safety as you claim, they surely would not support such interruptions of the break.

In fact, next time you have a dot inspection, just tell the officer the truth about what you did during such a break.

 

To the original poster........................

see what you started ???

Amazing isn't it ?????

 

what if, what if, what if what if.........what if the sky fell we'd all be dead. It's real simple.....take a full 10 hr break BEFORE you make the pick up or delivery if you think there might be a delay during the loading or unloading process. By doing this you eliminate this possible problem. While you may not like the 10/11/14 hr rules....use them to your advantage.