CSA2010

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by BudinOK, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. Trouble65

    Trouble65 Medium Load Member

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    I'm not saying we are perfect however I had a maxi and air bag blow right on the scale.

    I agree with you 100%

    Company policy is to scale yourself after you get loaded. It’s better to pay $11 then $300+
    Drivers pay all overweight tickets except for those where there are no scales between the shipper and DOT scales. We know that there is lots of those.
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    You are right we are professional drivers and don’t do honest mistakes. However the DOT/MTO and the police never make any honest mistakes. The difference is that we are held liable for any mistake while the government is not.
    Like I said we did everything within the law to ensure our drivers have a valid license. However the NY State and the Province of Ontario do not communicate on license suspensions. However speeding tickets in most States show up on Ontario driver’s license for 3 years. This driver had a clean driving history if he had a suspension we could not insure him.
    When it comes to CSA 2010 I am nervous. Today our score is down to 74 from 96. We had; “1level 1” 2 level 2” and “1 level 3” inspections with no violations.
    The problem with CSA 2010 the scoring is flawed. One of my friends has 1 truck and got pulled over for inspection he was placed OOS because he had a nail in his tire and ABS light on. His score jumped to 99%.
    As far as the audit and intervention I have spoken to the DOT office in NY after my driver got placed out of service. After looking at my record he explained to me there is nothing to worry about except for speeding issue. You have to show a pattern on you inspections.
    We don’t have poorly maintained equipment our problem is that it’s hard to find good drivers. The past month I have taken 8 drivers on a road test and failed them all. Nobody wants to drive trucks anymore, can you blame them?
    Why is it when we make mistakes whether be honest or intentional we get fined?
    One of my drivers got pulled over in the Vineland scales here in Ontario. We got fined $700 for too many log sheets in possession. If the driver came home 2 days earlier we would have been fine. However we were delayed by 3 days on the trip due to storms on the east coast.
    When I looked at the fines I noticed that the recorded mileage on the form was in Km however all of our trucks are in Miles. When I went to court the MTO Officer explained to the judge that we are professionals and can’t make any mistakes. When I showed the judge the mistake he made regarding the mileage all hell broke loose. Needless to say fine against the company was dropped.
     
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  3. oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

    I feel for you. It doesn't matter to alot of them if it is an honest mistake or not. The driver is treated like a criminal.I had a low air buzzer go off just as I entered Manchester scales one day. I made it across and got parked on a ramp. Compressor quit on a 6 month old truck. Yes it happens in spite of what Tazz says.
     
  4. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Bet you didn't check that very good on the pre trip.:biggrin_2559:


    Don't feel bad. My tires were fine when I picked up the trailer. 5 hours later, I am crossing the scale in Ohio on 74. The tire which was fine and could see nothing wrong, was going flat as I entered the scale.

    Got a level 1 and a fix it.
     
  5. oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

    Absolutely,I had just come off of Monteagle with it and not a sign that anything was wrong.I sure am glad it didn't quit on the mountain. I guess I should have just stopped and went inside and had them lock me up since I was such a Criminal
     
  6. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    While I find it amusing how much equipment "went as I entered the scale house":biggrin_25526: The equipment was defective yes? Any citation or fine received is valid is it not? I have never seen a time variable in any regulation (except HOS) that gives you xxxxx amount of time to find and correct the defect.
     
  7. rachi

    rachi Road Train Member

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    might be a good idea for all of us drivers to pull over before we come to the scales and do a quick check of the tires,lites,etc. It would be a hassle but could save us some problems if we get pulled around back.
     
  8. oldedge

    oldedge Light Load Member

    Let's look at the officer for a minute Tazz. While you are going down the road your trunk could fly up when you hit a bump and all that crap you have in there could come flying out and kill someone.You know the portable scales and such. Do you have all that secured with at least a grade 7 chain and binder? Your gun could come unsnapped and fall to the ground and shoot someone. Do you have a lock on it? You see TAZZ you aren't subject to the same rules that you over enforce.
     
  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    First I am not an officer. I could not take the oath to enforce the laws of the State of Tennessee. As such not only could I not over enforce, I can not enforce at all. I can just smile at the irony that much like prison inmates, trucker stories in general start with some form of "It wasn't my fault".

    Second my weapon stays secured in my holster by what I guess you could call a lock, and I have never had an issue of it coming unsecured "right when the cop was there" either. My weapon of choice also has multiple safety's and could be thrown against a brick wall with a catapult and not discharge.

    Thirdly I am sure that with the structure of "peer groups" in the ratings formulated by CSA2010, and if these occurrences are nearly as prevalent as you claim everyone will reflect that in their scores.
     
  10. mgfg

    mgfg Road Train Member

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    Well put Tazz. Onboard air pressure guages especially on the drives are a no brainer and have been standard issue for me since my first air ride tractor back in the 80's.

    Some people just won't help themselves OR their drivers.

     
  11. sazook

    sazook Road Train Member

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    I had a tire blow half a mile from the entrance to the Santa Clarita scale on I-5 north of LA last year. Being that it was my left steer, I ended up on the shoulder 1/4 mile from the scale entrance to get it replaced. Two hours later I went thru the scale, somewhat assuming that the green light I had on my Prepass from 2 hours ago wasn't good anymore. I was expecting an inspection given that they could see me on the shoulder for the last 2 hours, but I went right back on to the freeway.
     
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