Greetings!
This is my first post and I am a new driver. I took a CDL course at a community college, which got you 600 miles behind the wheel and enough training in the lot to pass the Illinois "skills test". I am now driving for a gentleman that owns three trucks and I am hauling grain.
I've been driving a '96 Kenworth sleeper cab/Timpte grain trailer on everything from gravel roads to I80. I like hauling grain and this gentleman pays well. I've only been at it for a few weeks and I'm not sure how steady I'll be working after harvest, which is now about done. That will depend on monthly contracts.
I have talked to a local trucking company owner about a job in the future. I've known this man most of my life and consider him a friend. He tells me that his insurance company requires his drivers have 2 years experience.
I asked him about their background check of drivers and mentioned the DAC report. He didn't know anything about the DAC and said he'd never heard of it. As he's a busy man, I didn't have long to talk to him. He gave me his cell number and told me to "keep in touch". I feel confident I've got my foot in the door.
Here's my question:
Will hauling grain count as driving experience to his insurance company? How do these insurance companies check a driver's background experience? Do they require a DAC file? Where does a DAC file begin for a driver?
I know very little about this DAC report and neither my college instructor nor the program director were of much help. This question weighs heavy on me as I am 55 years old and can't afford to make any poor career moves.
Can someone please elaborate on this whole "experience and insurance companies" thing? I'm sketchy on the whole DAC thing. Is there a thread that delves into this issue?
Thanks a bunch,
Buzz
Insurance companies and 2yrs Experience
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Buzzard, Nov 4, 2010.
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Its really your second post, asking the same exact thing.
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Not all companies use the DAC reporting system. What I would do if I were you is ask your boss for a letter recommendation. The problem in your situation is the insurance company may not recognize grain hauling as OTR experience. It just may not be far enough for them. I think it's stupid but for alot of companies they dictate what they want.
Why couldn't you look around for something that is similar? It may not be grain but it could be bulk cement or something else. You never know how many people might know your boss and snap you right up on his word. IMO, if the pay is good the local job is much better than any OTR job you could find anyway.
Just a note. I've seen a few drivers that have started at your age driving gasoline and they fit in just fine.Buzzard Thanks this. -
DAC is a totally independent for profit company. It is not required by trucking companies, insurance companies or the DOT.
DAC actually is no longer in existence. It was bought out by a company called Hire Right. So calling it a DAC isn't proper. Still everyone knows it by the name DAC.
Some trucking companies subscribe to Hire Right some don't. I have worked for 3 that doesn't. Most of the bigger companies do. Your Hire Right file contains work history, accident records, incident records, drug and alcohol tests, criminal background and shows your available status for rehire. It contains this info ONLY from companies that subscribe to Hire Right. If you work for a company that doesn't subscribe to Hire Right or the previous DAC then you WILL NOT have a file if you contact Hire Right to get a copy of your history. It is NOT your DOT record or your state driving record either. It is just a template that companies use to collect evidence of your past employment history. Mine has some false information on it. I never had it corrected and it has never kept me from getting a job.
I would say hauling grain for a farmer doesn't get reported to your Hire Right record. You should ask your employer if he ever reported to DAC or Hire Right. Unless the owner subscribes to it, you will not have a record while you are employed with him. Which it sounds like he doesn't. If not then you will need to get his complete address, name and contact info if you ever want to use him as a driving reference. Most companies will want to see a driving school on your record. If no driving school then most will require at least 1 year of VERIFIABLE driving experience. Just listing on an application that you have drove for XYZ Trucking company that has went out of business won't work. Example: I worked for a company once that didn't subscribe to DAC. They also are no longer in business. I just list this GAP in my Hire Right as UNEMPLOYED. My driving history there can not be verified. Companies that subscribe to Hire Right will want someone they can call and ask questions to. Hope this helps.Buzzard Thanks this. -
Well, I can see nothing gets by you, #12345!
You're right, it is actually my second post. But I think you'll find I went back to that other thread and edited it to note that I was moving my post to a new thread of it's own - rather than hijacking the other one. I was only trying to mind my manners.
Buzz -
Thanks for the reply, GasHauler!
For the time being I want to drive for this gentleman as long as I can. It's my first driving job and he was the one that gave me my "big break" - so to speak.
I'd happily slide into another seat as a fill-in driver for someone else - while waiting for "the boss" to call. My loyalty lies with him right now. I do like the idea of a local driving job - full time, ya understand.
And I think you're right, his recommendation would be well respected. He's well known in the area and well liked. I feel very fortunate to have been hired by him. The job came to me by a recommendation by a longtime friend.
I do have tanker and HazMat endorsements on my license. I did apply at a couple tanker outfits, (one was gas, the other carbon dioxide) guess what - both required 2 years experience.
Thanks,
Buzz -
Dave, thanks for your detailed reply. I now have a better understanding how it works.
It's much more clear to me now. One question that comes to mind is - Do Insurance companies subscribe to Hire Right? And possibly even report to them? I'm wondering this as it stems from the owner of the other company stating that "My insurance company tells me who I can hire... and that the drivers must have two years experience, so my hands are somewhat tied."
Are the insurance companies using Hire Right for risk assessment while forcing these companies to use Hire Right to screen company drivers?
Thanks,
Buzz -
The answer is no. What your talking about is insurance companies have what are called underwriters. The underwriters say who and what the insurance companies can cover. The insurance company is just an agent for the underwriters.
When your stating that the owner says the insurance company tells him who he can hire. What he means is the AGENT requires him to provide PROOF of two years experience from any driver that he hires. It has nothing to do with DAC or Hire Right. It's just the insurance company that he has went with requires this.
As an added note. I've thought of getting my own authority before and I've called insurance companies. Not one single one has said that I would be required to govern my truck at a specific speed. That comes from the COMPANY that you hire on with NOT the insurance company.Buzzard Thanks this. -
I see. And what type of "PROOF" might they be requiring him to provide? I've heard of one company wanting "logged miles". Are some companies or their insurance companies going to ask for log books? All I will be able to provide from this grain hauling job is receipts that I'm given with a breakout of what my trips paid, (I get a percentage of the load) and photocopies of checks. And my bosses' word that I drove for him. I do also keep a record of my trips and miles.
Will this be a problem if I hope to hire on with this outfit? Should I perhaps ask the company owner exactly what his insurance company requires?
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Buzzard i don't know what your getting at actually.
Here's all I can tell you about the process. When you go to work for an OTR company what they "LOOK" for is driving experience and driving schools. If you go to school most companies will want a transcript from your school for verification. I was given mine when I graduated and I still have a copy of it for my records. They also will look for OTR experience. Some OTR companies will NOT hire you if you have had ONLY a seasonal job, regional job or local trucking job. The reason for this is for example, if you work 1 year local in Florida and get a job OTR you will still have zero experience in winter mountain driving.
OTR means just that Over The Road. The large companies won't trust you that you will automatically have the knowledge to operate a truck in the mountains of Colorado in the winter time. School won't prepare you for this either. School plus one year of experience with an OTR company probably will though.
The training companies take a huge risk hiring student drivers straight out of school. They put you with a driver trainer for at least 2 to 4 weeks. If the trainer feels like you are qualified to let you go out on your own then the company officially hires you, gives you a truck and lets you go out on your own. I've heard of guys that quit soon after getting their own truck and no company will hire them unless they go back through school, get placed with another trainer or take a refresher course and get placed with a driver trainer as well.
I'm not saying your trying to get around the system but why are you trying to go OTR without experience or without going through school? I guess it can be done but it won't be easy. Back in the old days companies were more relaxed than they are now. My grandfather just went up to the courthouse and told them he wanted a CDL. He never went to school and his CDL was printed on paper like a Social Security card. Now it's different. We have the DOT rules and regulations to go by. We have companies that have standards that has to be met and qualifications as well.
The best advice I can give you is to go to school. Either a trucking company sponsored one or state ran one. Then immediately go to work for a training company. They will place you with a driver trainer and then you will be out with him for at least 2 more weeks. After that just get your 1 year experience with that company and then you will be able to go to work at just about any company out there. Good luck on whatever route you choose to go.
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