E logs

Originally Posted by Meltom
eLogs are freakin sweet. They stop companies from forcing you to run illegal. Sure it's more difficult to figure out how to cheat your logs, but give it time and a solution will be found. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone running illegal,backing up your logs, or just blatant falsification, I'm just saying that someone will figure out a way to cheat them. All technology has flaws, it's just a matter of time. But I still think eLogs are awesome.


Wow! I dont know what to say. Let me think.....There are many things the FEDS use to try and slow us down. Changes to 395 like the 11, 14, and 60/70 hour rules or changes to the split sleeper berth option and yes one day requiring all carriers to install on board computers. The more they slow us down the less money we make and it punishes those drivers who have the good sense to pull over and get some rest instead of pushing it. So the moral of the story is: "those good old days are gone forever"!!!

 

Since when does a moderator have to approve my post? Ive never seen that notice before.

 

It happens periodically because of our spam filtering software. It does catch some legit posts along with catching spam posts. Usually doesn't take us long to get posts approved as long as one of us is on.

 

I beg to differ with you on the E-Log,you dont have to carry any paperlog in your truck what so ever,we just asked the officer for their respective fax# they want it sent to and then send it(btw,we have E logs thru Qualcomm)

Our E-Logs are our EOBR,they record EVERYTHING the truck and you in it do,everytime you set the brakes it records where you are

 

They can ticket you for not having a paper logbook in the truck - its in case the electronic system goes belly-up.

 

I call horse-hockey on that one... that's another trucker urban legend. Ran e-logs with 3 different companies, went through 395 letter per letter in several classes, certified to teach the class... nothing in 395 about having to have paper logs in the truck. Your company maintains the same logs you do (electronically) - you just add the details and reasons for stops and starts.

 

Well... y'all can "call horse-hockey" all ya want. All day long!

I'll even supply you with a 53' van load of road apples!

The fact is that DOT can and is ticketing elog drivers for not having a paper log book in the truck. My carrier is all elogs, and our violations department has received a number of tickets against trucks in our fleet for just that. They've included this little pearl of wisdom in the classes for new drivers, and have sent a number of fleet-wide QualComm messages urging everyone to have a paper log book.

So call "horse-hockey" all you want. Make sure you don't have a blank logbook. And enjoy paying the ticket.

BTW... just so you know. It doesn't have to be in 395... any state can adopt a more stringent version of the transportation rules in 395, and it gets coded out as "violating state law."

...and for your perusal, from our wunnerful, wunnerful friends at FMCSA...

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.16

395.16 Electronic on-board recording devices

(l) On-board information. Each commercial motor vehicle must have onboard the commercial motor vehicle an information packet containing the following items (1) An instruction sheet describing how data may be stored and retrieved from the EOBR.(2) A supply of blank driver's records of duty status graph-grids sufficient to record the driver's duty status and other related information for the duration of the current trip.

Last I heard, that's called "a logbook."

 

You are correct about asking the officer for a fax number, I believe I stated that in my earlier post.

Just to set things straight, if you are running logs thru your qualcomm, then it is really EOBR, not an E-Log that you can run on your laptop or iPhone. As far as having paper logs, break out your Green Book (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations) and read section 395.15 (f) "Reconstruction of records of duty status".

If you are running a logbook program on your laptop or smartphone (NOT EOBR), there are a different set of rules. With those you are required to have printouts for the last 7 days and able to print out the current day on demand.

 

"[75 FR 17245, Apr. 5, 2010]"

Ahhh... I submit on this one, for sure, but I also noted the date on these recent changes - the classes I attended and the version of FMCSR I dealt with was 2009.

 

Were you driving BEFORE the current rules went into effect? Those good old days weren't so great when it came to logbooks. You only had a 10/15 day and you needed to always run a recap. If you used your 70 hours in 5 or 6 days, you could not drive again until you regained some hours. There was no 34 hour restart. It could take 2 or 3 days to get some driving hours again depending on how fast you burned them. The BIG difference between then and now is the 14 hour clock. Before the current regs, you could stop your clock on line 1 or 2.