This is why Trainees should be supervised, not run as a team!

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by D_Jeffers, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. D_Jeffers

    D_Jeffers Light Load Member

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    It may not be rocket science, but obviously that driver wasn't ready. If you want to sleep behind a newby driver, then do it. But you aren't doing him any favors. Too many new things can come up, and those are things you can use for teaching. 30 days 1 on 1 with a trainer should be minimum, and the trainer should have no less than 5 to 10 yrs experience.

    I think the training standards need to be raised in this industry. Look at the companies that use 3 month rookies to train newby's? And running a newby as a team driver? The standards are too low!

    Thank God that airline pilots have more than 2 weeks training!
     
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  3. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    According to an eye witness that commented on the original newspaper article in the other thread I linked in a previous post, the CRST truck did have its 4-ways on.
     
  4. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    Flying a plane is just slightly more complicated than driving a truck.
     
  5. D_Jeffers

    D_Jeffers Light Load Member

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    True, and airline pilots are also sharing the airspace with other equally trained pilots. That is not the case on the highways. All I am saying is that we need a higher standard of training. We are supose to be the professionals on the road. If you don't agree, we can agree to disagree.
     
  6. Scarecrow03

    Scarecrow03 Road Train Member

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    I agree with that, but until these huge corporations actually put safety before profit we will continue to have improperly trained drivers out there.

    I dare say that the FCC driver wasn't properly trained as well.

    Unless there someone pulls out from a dead stop on the shoulder as you're less than 20 feet from them, or someone deliberately brakes to a complete stop in an effort to make you rear-end them, there is no excuse for rear-ending someone.

    I've had a few close calls out here during those times when I took my eyes off the road at a time when I probably shouldn't have. It's sheer luck that I looked up in time to take whatever evasive actions were necessary to keep from rear-ending someone. Bottom line is, if I hadn't been lucky in those few instances I can recall right now, I would have been to blame. Inattention is the biggest cause of traffic accidents. I dare say it's the only cause with the only exception being mechanical failures.
     
  7. U2Exit

    U2Exit Road Train Member

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    I have two questions for the "old hands" and their opinions.

    How long should training be WITH the trainer sitting next to trainee and not running team?

    (I wish I could ask this 2nd question AFTER the first question has already beeen responsed to)

    Just how long was your training with a trainer sitting next to you and not running team?

    Can we agree that at some point driving ability has to be evaluated and the trainer is comfortable to sleep with the trainee's ability to drive, but the trainer is still needed to be on hand to guide the trainee through the various work issues that don't necessarily pop up everyday in an irregular OTR existence.

    I did 4 weeks side by side, and then roughly 50k dispatched team miles with a trainer (roughly 4 months total) I was dealing with issues my first week on my own that never presented themselves over my entire training period. However I had a solid base of skills and knowledge from my trainer to make decisions or who to call to help me make the decisions that I was facing.
     
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  8. DOTrevenuepatrol

    DOTrevenuepatrol Medium Load Member

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    I cant say for a second the driver who died was at any sort of fault. This was at 5:40 am on a pitch black interstate and the CRST driver was on a downgrade basically stopped.
     
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  9. D_Jeffers

    D_Jeffers Light Load Member

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    I think a minimum of 30 days with a trainer, maybe longer depending on the individual. And to answer your 2nd question, I did not go to CDL school when I started. There weren't many around then. I was taught by a Owner/Operator and I ran with him "supervised" for 6 weeks. Then I was hired by the company he was subhauling for. Bear in mind that the truck I was taught in had 2 sticks, no power steering, and we ran produce markets.

    The company I drive and train for has weekly written evaluations by the trainer, and there is a midterm (2 week) verbal test and driving test by our training department. At 30 days another test and driving test. If you are ready at that point then you are assigned a truck for your 90 day solo period. After that you are hired by the parent company.
     
  10. Spaces1965

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    I am finishing up school right now. I had a company tell me they would make me a trainer in 6 months and I could really make some money....I CHOSE ANOTHER COMPANY!!!. No way would I be ready to train anyone in 6 months, nor would I want to. The company that I'm going to work for says if the trainers are caught sleeping they are fired...I LIKE THIS!!
     
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  11. Pa geargrinder

    Pa geargrinder Light Load Member

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    Hey sounds like D Jeffers learned the real Ole School in a Mack ?
    Must be that big Capital ( D ) in the name stands for "Double Clubber"

    Ya dont hear much about that kind of Drivin these days for sure !

    Pa.
     
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