Hauling an empty(sort of, had residue BOL) chemical trailer. Got pulled around back at a chicken shack. They were training in new DOT guys this day and wanted to test the emergency shutoff valve... The chemical being transported is highly poisonous and reacts violently to water and water vapor(air).
Here is what went down:
Mr DOT and training DOT, "We would like you to pull the emergency shutoff".
Me, "Sorry cannot do that without an emergency, as it will send a signal though my tracking system".
Mr DOT, "You need to do as your told"
Me, "Not that, but I will release the load and liability to an authorized person and they may let you".
Mr DOT, "Who's authorized"?
Me, "My understanding is a Deputy US Marshall or FBI agent, has that authority... but I'll find out in a sec after I make this call". I then call my boss and tell him the situation.
Mr DOT, "That's BS, and stomps off to the scale house".
I sit and wait... boss calls the state in question and about 20 minutes later... Mr DOT, comes out and tells me I'm free to leave.
Naturally, I decide to F with him a bit... I say, "I cannot leave just yet". I have to document this stop... I need your badge # and need you to sign my log on the nature of the stop and I'll have to write up a incident report on your request.
Ya'll should have seen the look on Mr DOT's face...as I'm sure that he got a call from his boss telling him to let me go ASAP.
Mr DOT says, "Really"?
Me, "I'm afraid so, company policy".
I then collect info and leave...
Wondering if Mr. DOT will remember being on the other side of the fence?
Unfortunately probably not.
got away with one
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by shredfit1, Apr 23, 2011.
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thats pretty funny
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Wish fellow drivers could have been there to see it...
Mr DOT looked like a deer in a set of headlights when I told him I needed to document his request... it was classic. -
Well I don't know why they would want to pull your emergency shut off. But the marshal's or FBI have nothing to do with an inspection. As far as signing your log book, we can't write in your log book, entries are only allowed by the driver. When I'm doing an inspection, I've had a bunch of driver's who come up with a bunch of BS when I stop them. When I pop their seals and check the load/ load securement etc. Non-bulk haz mat has to be checked for labels, etc. When I break a seal it is replaced with a seal from my Agency and documented on the inspection report with original seal# and new seal #. Never had an issue with shipper or receiver, as long as it is done within policy. I always do it with the driver standing right there and hand himthe old seal and show him the new seal when it is resealed.formertaxidriver, RAG, scottied67 and 1 other person Thank this.
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I too don't know why he wanted to pull the emergency shut off. Perhaps to show the DOT in training? Just my guess? I didn't say US marshalls or FBI have anything to do with inspections. I said, they(I think US customs special agents also have that authority) can take possession of HazMat loads, under certain circumstances (ie driver in charge of the load is under duress). Remember reading it in training. Breaking a seal was not the issue... However, even this DOT guy was not this stupid, as the reactivity of the chemical would not make it wise to break and open ANY valve... even though it just contain residue as stated on the BOL. As far as signing my log... He did initial it at the time of the incident.(oops can I get him in trouble for this)??? I admittedly, was sort of shining him on about the incident report. I did take down his badge number, he seemed overly nice after my boss called the state, I'm guessing he got a call from someone about it... his boss? again speculation?
FYI: this was a bulk chem trailer.scottied67 Thanks this. -
I"d say the trainee learned something valuable, if he had a brain...
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What do you do if the trailer is locked(by the shipper. Reciever also has key) and you don't have the key?
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Good question, the simple answer would be that nobody opens the locked door. Actually, I can really see this happening after finding out the market value of some of these bulk chemicals. (your talkin' a worth of $100-$200 per gallon... or $450,000 to $900,000 market worth per load).scottied67 Thanks this.
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We hauled Di Methyl Sulfate in Stainless Steel drums. Driver was trained to don is level C suit w/ SCBA and use a dragger tube to dray an air sample from the van and use a few drops of a reagent to make sure it was safe to enter the trailer without being on breathing air...
Now they use IBCs that lock onto an open frame trailer.
Most MC307 and DOT407 tankers have hydraulic internal valves, the emergency is fuesable and frangible. It melts in a fire to release the hydraulics -or- you bend it until it breaks at a specially thinned place. Break it off and you cannot operate the hydraulics until it is replaced...
I used to use the center hole of a multi-pot tank. They had one jack w/ selector valves to operate each internal valve. For OEM spill drills I used to remove the QRB gasket and re-clamp the external valve w/ the bolt loose so the valve would drip when the hydraulic was jacked up.
Then I'd close the selection valve so it wouldn't close if they did think to break off the emergency. Usually they all just messed w/ the QRB until they knocked the clamp loose and out pops the whole valve followed by all the water in the compartment.
Usually had to show the head responders why it wouldn't work and 99% of them never saw a break off emergency as they all trained on gas tankers w/ a cable emergency... -
No, we do not open any valves! Nor do we have drivers open them.
Cable remotes can be tested without opening valves. Air and hydraulic remotes should not be broken off.
Why would the trailer be locked and the driver not have a key? That is why I have bolt cutters, even for the seals on intermodal containers.
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