I hauled for CHR as a company driver on a regular basis and know exactly what they paid because I was faxed the rate on my paper work for everyload as a O/O would by my company.
They haul freight for nothing basically or they paid next to nothing.
I wonder what their share is since I only know what the trucking co. was paid by CHR?
CH Robinson has not paid lumper fees for over 4 months
Discussion in 'Shippers & Receivers - Good or Bad' started by Trouble65, Jul 22, 2010.
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As a o/o in the early 80's I only hauled for CH when they had the only loads in a area and they was always dirt cheap back then. If you want to know what they make then look at their revunues for last year and you will find that they made millions off of the backs of o/o's.
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CH Robinson and many other Brokers and many others violate the law but there is no objection or attention by the regulatory departments. Here is Ultra Logistics load listed without and Fuel surcharge but even less that the line Haul. How these people are getting away with it listing a load for way under the cost of operation and violating the Fuel Surcharge rules
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Here is my two cents if CH Robinson throws a bone at you today and gets away with violating the laws about Fuel Surcharge with all others every one of will take that bone and will keep quite. If you have some honor you will make a call when others are being cheated on.
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There are no rules or laws concerning fuel surcharges. There was a proposed law, but it didn't pass. It is just as well since the bill didn't have any teeth. I don't know of any brokers who are breaking the law when it comes to rates. The rate they charge or amount of commission they keep is not regulated, nor should it be regulated. I could care less about the fuel surcharge. The fsc is nothing but smoking mirrors to make some feel that they are making more money than they are in reality. The shipper feels that they are not paying as much since the rate change since it is broken out as a fsc. I have a minimum rate for which I will haul a load. I am in business and don't want or need the government to come in and re-regulate freight rates. I am a businessman. I make the decision as to whether I will haul a load at a certain rate or not. I don't blame the brokers for making money. If I make what I want from a load I could care less what the broker makes. Unless I get the rate I want I will either deadhead to a better area or sit for a day to see if I can find something that pays more. If you don't get the rate you want then leave the load on the dock.
If you are accustomed to hauling for cheap rates then brokers or shippers are not going to offer you a higher rate. I have brokers who usually won't approach me if they have a cheap rate. They know that it is a waste of time for both of us. Brokers keep notes on carriers. They know who will take the cheap freight and who will let it sit. I hear some complain about how cheap CH Robinson is on rates. Some of the best rates I have gotten in recent years have come from them. They do have cheap freight, but you don't have to take it. Most brokers have good and bad paying freight. It is up to you as a businessman to decide at what rate you are willing to haul freight. Don't blame the broker for making money off the load. A broker performs a service. If you don't want to pay the broker then go out and find your own shippers. Or you could hire a salesman to solicit freight for you, but you will need to pay him as well. A broker is a salesman. He sells capacity. -
I've not had one bit of trouble with CHR lumper fees. The amount is listed on the confirmation email, you check in with the receiver, they tell you the fee, you call CH for a TCheck number and it's done and over with. Takes all of 3 minutes.
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I've been pulling CH loads here and there for a few months now. Every one of them has had a fuel surcharge and with the exception of juice loads, the rates have been pretty darned good. The pay has been very fast to.
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As long as you get the rate you want, what difference does it make whether the fsc is broken out or put into the rate? The numbers are the same. If a load pays $1.50/mile + $0.50/mile fsc or $2/mile, the money is the same. The only difference is in how the rate is broken out. For a while, Mercer was breaking out the fsc for brokered loads. A few others did the same. This was while there was a threat of a fsc bill passing congress. When the bill fizzled, most stopped separating the fsc from the rate confirmation. Don't be so concerned about whether the fsc is separated from the rate. If you get the rate you want what difference does it really make if the fsc is broken out? Set your rate and adjust as your costs escalate.
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