393.11TL what's the skinny?

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  1. GLI-sdcjr

    GLI-sdcjr Bobtail Member

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    Last month I was checked in MO and given this notation on a roadside inspection --- 393.11TL "truck-tractor lower rear retroreflective sheeting to indicate overall width ..." My mud flap brackets have reflective tape on them so I figured I was good to go. I've been looking for something in the regs that shows or describes exactly what is required but can't find it. My maintenace director says I am ok as is. Last week I got the same notation on a roadside inspection in GA. Can anyone clarify this???? :biggrin_25510:
     
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  3. 112racing

    112racing Road Train Member

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    why didn't you ask the gestapo when he wrote you up ?
     
  4. Rerun8963

    Rerun8963 Road Train Member

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    if they are going solely by the wording and LOCATION, you can see where the MUD FLAPS must have the reflective tape......

    and by the way, this is 3 points on your CSA, which since you got hit twice, you now have 6 points, but given that this is new they multiply this by 3, which means you actually have 18 CSA points on you right now...

    you need to talk with your safety dept.....


    and i gotta tell you, i don't see any trucks with tape on the MUD FLAPS....brackets..YES.....flaps themselves...??? no......


    but now, it could also be that the reflective tape is torn..???
    dirty...????

    if torn, they got you for not have a complete tape across the bracket.

    http://www.csa2010.com/articles/CSA_2010_Vehicle_Maintenance_Violation_Severity_Chart.htm

    in any event, you really should have asked the DOT guys when you got wrote up......
     
  5. ChromeDome

    ChromeDome Road Train Member

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    Are you sure they are not talking about on the trailer? I have heard they are dinging drivers for the tape on the lower trailer doors not going all the way across. This is because it stops at the hinges. But they want it on the hinges.
    It is just an excuse to pull you in and give you a violation, and has been happening allot. Someone at FMCSA, DOT, or CVSA needs to put a stop to this crap.
    They are allowing too much at the discretion of the officer.

    The term "to indicate overall width" would mean to me that the tape must go to the outer most edge of the flap bracket. Are yours?
     
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  6. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    Perhaps we should use reflective tape to put the following message on the trailer:

    Attention Missouri and Georgia DOT Officers

    TRAILER IS THIS WIDE
    <---------------------------------------------->







    :biggrin_255:
     
  7. Rusty50484

    Rusty50484 Light Load Member

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    The citation number would indicate it's a trailer violation. 393.11TL.

    I've had two friends dinged on this one. One had three inches of the reflective tape missing from the middle of the lower RH door, the other four inches on the bottom of the LH door. Both, by the way, were written up in Missouri. I've also seen guys written up (Utah in particular liked this one) for reflective tape missing from the ICC bumper, where it had been torn off scraping a dock, rock or whatever.

    I'd be checking your trailers when you pick them up to see if there's any of the reflective tape missing from the doors. I would bet a dollar to a donut that's the source of your violations.
     
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  8. Roadhound

    Roadhound Light Load Member

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    I was thinking myself that they had to be talking about the trailer. If you don't realize how wide the vehicle is by the time you get to the truck mudflaps, you're too ignorant to be driving:biggrin_2559:
     
  9. lovesthedrive

    lovesthedrive R.I.P.

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    Isnt this why some of us have nice shiny fenders?
     
  10. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    It is not for the truck driver, but for the other vehicle driver's on the road.
     
  11. RCH_Trucking

    RCH_Trucking Bobtail Member

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    This one makes me chuckle a bit cause I can't help but think of that bumper sticker that says "If you can read this, you're following too close".

    In what world will the missing 4" of reflective tape save you from plowing face first into the back of a trailer that all the rest of the tape didn't?
     
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