Hours of service questions and answers

okay I realize I haven't been here in a long time but here goes... my brother has his passenger endorsement and drive tour coaches for bands and celebrities on tour... he still has to run a log book why is he only allowed to drive 10 hours instead of 11 and only have to take 8 hours of instead of 10??... if he's still subject to logbook regulations, why are his regulations different than ours??

 

Because he is a driver of a passenger carrying vehicle and not a property carrying vehicle. There are differences in the regulations although I don't have a clue as to what any of them are as I don't drive a passenger carrying vehicle. You can check the FMCSA site for the actual regulations.

 

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...te-Passenger-Carrying-Driver-Guide-To-HOS.pdf

 

The main difference with passenger operators is the fact that they generally don't go out for weeks at a time....most times they drive shift work....and are home (domiciled) every night.

But there is now, with the bus fatalities recently...NY and then a few days ago on the East coast....the rules and regs are really being scrutinized about the bus groups.

 

lostNfound, yea that's what he told me too, however i was hoping he was wrong so i could be right and rub it in his face! Lmfao (brotherly love)...lol
it's what we do...we r extremely competitive with each other except he always gets the better end of the stick lol

Otherhalftw: sorry but that's where you're wrong, tour bus drivers r out weeks to months at a time.

 

Your tour bus definition is different than the ones we were talking about.

Tour buses for instance from Chicago that go to Springfield for the Abe Lincoln sites and return each day. For example.

 

That was way to confusing. There is a much simpler method. I will now bestow my gift of knowledge upon your undeserving soul- you may thank me with cash;

You may work 14 hours. Inside of that 14 hour window, you may drive 11 hours. Once either of those limits are reached, you must rest for 10 hours before driving again.

The 14 hour window cannot be extended except through a split sleeper provision; the 10 hour break may be taken in two parts- 8 hours in the sleeper birth and 2 hours off duty, or also in the sleeper. The calculation is simple: The time from the end of your first break to the end of your second break is how much of the 14/11 you have used up. What ever remains is what you can work/drive befor you must take the next break. BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS, IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, THE 8 HOUR SLEEPER BIRTH DOESNT COUNT. ADD THAT AS ZERO.

The only other exception is for adverse driving conditions, but that is another issue.

 

Why is it, when a driver (wannabe, rookie, driver in general) asks a question, then gets an answer....they argue and dispute the answer?

If you know all the reasons...why ask....

For your information...when the rules and regs were put together....tour buses for bands were not part of the grouping....since they don't carry commercial type passengers, but are chartered. Just as charter air flights don't have to follow the security guidelines of commercial traffic.

I guess your 3 years in the commercial side of trucking....you have experienced all manners of rules and regulations and driven so many varieties of commercial vehicles with every possible endorsement known to man.......next time...look it up yourself and go down to the DMV or DOT and ask them.....but you will probably argue with their explanation too...since it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

 

Look at it this way- as long as you had at least a 2 hour break before you started driving, those eight hours didn't exist. From the end of your first break (which occured at 1o pm last night) to your end of driving at 1500 the next day, you worked 9 hours. Your 14 was still running at that point and you could work until until 2000, or 8pm. You could either take a 2 hour break or a 10 hour break. If you do a 2, you'll be able to work from 2200 to midnight. End of 1st break to end of 2nd break, where the 8 hour sleeper break = 0, is how many hours of you 14/11 you have used up.

 

Not true. You could stay on the split cycle without ever taking a ten. It would never work out like that, of course, but no 10 hour break is required in any way to use a split.